Taping Or Coloring White Wire

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480sparky said:
Simple solution: Bigger Sharpie and bigger drill bit! :grin:
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A different and bigger Sharpie for each wire size?

I'll stick with my one-size-fits-all "V" notch :wink:
 
480sparky said:
Simple solution: Bigger Sharpie and bigger drill bit! :grin:
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Voila!
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480sparky said:
I'm just wondering why you would need to reidentify a white wire that is that large?
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....because "that's all we had on the truck" ....comes to mind :D
 
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Often in inspecting, I find, as I'm sure other do, the "dreaded white wire on a breaker" 'MAJOR' violation...as I add 1 short piece of black tape and the world continues to spin, I walk off wondering if inspecting is really necessary. Yesterday I was reminded there was a place in the universe for inspectors.....Mr "Homeowner/electrician" had taken the time to tape the entire 50 foot length, from weatherhead to load center, of his service phase conductor WHITE (to his credit, he did also tape the neutral wire green).

(HIs grandfather "who used to be a mine electrician" taught him color coding)
 
TOOL_5150 said:
The sharpie idea is nice but IMHO it looks half-a$$ed. I think tape wrapped neatly around a conductor looks much better.

~Matt
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That is your opinion....however, your opinion is in violation:
200.7(C)(1)
If part of a cable assembly and where the insulation is permanently reidentified to indicate its use as an ungrounded conductor, by painting or other effective means at its termination, and at each location where the conductor is visible and accessible. Identification shall encircle the insulation and shall be a color other than white, gray, or green
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Tape is NOT "permanent".
 
TOOL_5150 said:
Ok you got me there. Maybe I will think differently about identifing cable asseblies in the future.

~Matt
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Don't feel badly ....I've been "schooled" here more times than I care to count :D
 
celtic said:
That is your opinion....however, your opinion is in violation:
200.7(C)(1)

Tape is NOT "permanent".
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Why say you ?

I always considered taping one of those "other effective means"

I've never seen tape disappear, and if taped properly, as in "encircling" the conductor, I've never seen it fall off, so (IMO) it's permanent.

I've never been hit by a inspector for re-identifing a white conductor with colored tape, and I've never considered it a issue.

Just my opinion
steve
 
celtic said:
Tape is NOT "permanent".
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Then paint isn't permanent either. Otherwise, I'd never have to repaint my house.

And upon further reflection, neither is insulation. Someday it's going to fall off, too!
 
hillbilly said:
Why say you ?
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IMO, tape is not permanent....unless it's duct tape :D

Tape *could* be removed by someone - IMHO "by painting or other effective means at its termination" cannot be removed.

We may not agree on what is "effective"....but can we agree that a Sharpie is more "efficient"?

hillbilly said:
I've never been hit by a inspector for re-identifing a white conductor with colored tape, and I've never considered it a issue.
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I'll go one step further.... I've never been hit by a inspector for NOT re-identifing a white conductor (in cable assemblies).
 
TOOL_5150 said:
The sharpie idea is nice but IMHO it looks half-a$$ed. I think tape wrapped neatly around a conductor looks much better.

~Matt
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Now, I hate to see tape on a conductor. It does not last and at first glance you do not know if it is re-identification or a repaired sheathing nick.
 
360Youth said:
Now, I hate to see tape on a conductor. It does not last and at first glance you do not know if it is re-identification or a repaired sheathing nick.
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This is how I view tape also ...repair work.


HOWEVER...it does stand to reason that the taped up repair job could be considered "permanent".
 
celtic said:
I'll go one step further.... I've never been hit by a inspector for NOT re-identifing a white conductor (in cable assemblies).
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I've had them check for it, one of my last inspections as a matter of fact, I happened to have, but I do not remember if I have ever been busted. Can't say I've remembered every time to re-identify. :roll:
 
360Youth said:
I've had them check for it, one of my last inspections as a matter of fact, I happened to have, but I do not remember if I have ever been busted. Can't say I've remembered every time to re-identify. :roll:
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Never had it looked at...ever.

There was a discussion here not to long ago about re-id'ing cables ....what I got from it (and agree with) was that:
- re-id'ing a wire does not fall under 90.1 (Practical Safeguarding) as persons doing electrical work should be "qualified".

I'll see if I can dig that thread up.

EDIT:
90.4 should have been 90.1
 
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