That dreaded vaulted ceiling clearance

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I will be installing recessed lights for a church with an exposed beam cathedral ceiling. Basic tp style starting on 7'walls up to 24 ft. In between each beam is that shredded wheat looking stuff that's badly stained and looks bad. It's actually a acoustic board used under the shingles for sheathing and acoustic absorbing on the inside. Anyway that's now being covered with beaded soffit material with F channel running up both sides leaving a inch of wood on the sides for accent and of course the entire bottom of the beams will also be exposed. This creates a soffit and nice raceways but my problems with only 6.5" of clearance left for a vaulted IC housing. Good luck finding that. Next option was a eyeball but that limits my wattage some typically R30 or LED equal still not enough lumens. Next option was a LED driven gimbal ring similar to the Home Depot commercial electric gimbal ring. There nice the light isn't hiding behind a frosted lens of some kind I've used them many times. I'm worried even in a insulated can that these gimbals tilted as far down as possible in a shallow can will melt the plastic soffit surrounding the trim. The light with spring clips will slide into the housing and rest on vinyl soffit. The soffit material is flame resistant but doesn't mean it can't melt over time. Anyone have any ideas need 20 lights dimmable. I also thought about getting those cheap metal flat trims and use it like a washer for the gimbals just not sure what the best idea is. They really want recessed and I sold them on LED I budgeted $125 material per fixture. Any ideas 6.5" butts me right to the acoustic board. Thx in advance for any lighting ideas

 

[Smash]

No idea why my pics always turn to the left. One problem at a time just turn back to the right the second pic is there current lighting.

 

[Smash]

Yea I'm stumped as well.

 

[Chamuit]

Thinking out loud

Thinking out loud

How about H27ICAT or something similar (shallow can) with a few more units spread over the area to be lit. I know they aren't sloped, but if you could start lower in the ceiling and spread the ight around.... Get a high lumen LED trim.....

 

[brantmacga]

Recessed is pretty much out of the equation; you won't be able to get a fixture with enough output to fit in there.

I'd go with enclosed spotlights in place of the recessed.


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[hbiss]

I agree. I have no idea what the place looks like but I would go with some pendent or suspended fixtures.

Actually I do see what it looks like now that I rotated your image. Pendent fixtures.

-Hal

 

[Coppersmith]

Try these Disk lights. They look like recessed led lights when installed. but fit in a standard 4" j-box. (Warning: it's a tight fit. Allow extra time to install them.) These are dimmable. I've installed similar ones but not this exact model. I can't find the one I installed so check them out carefully in case I'm mistaken.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Halo-4-i...Disk-Light-with-90-CRI-SLD405930WHR/204732274

If you search the internet for "disk lights" you will find similar products from other manufacturers.

 

[brantmacga]

That dreaded vaulted ceiling clearance

Try these Disk lights. They look like recessed led lights when installed. but fit in a standard 4" j-box.....

The issue with that is the low output; that you linked is 625 lumens. I think if you were to look at the photometric curve on that fixture, if one is available, you'll find it's just not suitable. And on a vault like that, you really want a sloped can, which is what OP intended to go with but doesn't have the clearance.


I would really consider a tube spot, or even a pendant mounted LED fixture with an uplight on the top for that ceiling; something along the lines of a Lithonia Proteon with wide distribution. Someone makes a fixture like that in a 2' version that you could hang a few of, but I can't find it at the moment. The issue with that though is the $125 per fixture budget isn't going to cover it.


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[Coppersmith]

By "sloped" do you mean aimable or gimbeled? That would indicate more of a focused beam than most LED trims which are very much flood lights. Having them flush to the ceiling is really not an issue except on the very edges next to the walls. Just place them closer to the walls than usually to solve that.

I just checked the LED trim I usually use in 6" cans and it's 650 lumens as well and seems very bright in 10' kitchen ceilings. For 24' ceilings perhaps a closer spacing and more fixtures are required if a lot of light is needed. They do meet the OP's main criteria: very little headroom is required.

 

[Wendo]

I agree. I have no idea what the place looks like but I would go with some pendent or suspended fixtures.

Actually I do see what it looks like now that I rotated your image. Pendent fixtures.

-Hal

What you said. With that ceiling height, you won't be happy with disc lights as your primary light source.

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[brantmacga]

This is a sloped can .....

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[hbiss]

In architecture like this I have never seen can lights. Besides being the wrong choice it's just plain ugly. I've always seen pendent or chain hung fixtures, usually two rows, one row down each side. To augment that, it's usual to have track or separate flood fixtures on both beams up front to illuminate the altar.

-Hal

 

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The problem with pendants is they will obstruct the view to the chancel area. This is a church but without the pews. It's more of a multi purpose room that on some occasions require more light than on a Sunday service. I'm going to sample a standard shallow housing with a Comercial Electric gimbal 835 lumens and then check my concerns which are heat and enough of a tilt to shine straight down. I will post some more pics to give a better idea of this space. They want a contemporary look at the end so maybe something surface mount can still work.

Pics to follow get ready to turn them to the right. Even if I send them already turned they come out turned again I have no idea why so sorry bout that. These two were taken yesterday standing on the chancel or stage area. They simply put out rows of chairs for the Sunday service. Other times for AA meetings or whatever it's wide open with tables set up and chairs per whatever the function is. Thx again I do appreciate the feedback any idea is a good one.

 

[Smash]

Track lighting last resort trying not to end up there.

 

[hbiss]

The problem with pendants is they will obstruct the view to the chancel area.

How low do you think they need to be? Place them about where the present lighting is and let them hang maybe 3 feet. Can't be any worse than that duct work. Your biggest problem is going to be finding suitable fixtures that complement the space. You need to look at commercial lighting, Home Depot isn't going to cut it. You're probably going to save money because you're not going to need as many.

-Hal