The most commonly ignored code rule

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peter d said:
As for troubleshooting someone else's work, we're electricians.We get paid to drop lights and take devices out when something doesn't work, whether the feed is at the light, the switch, or a jbox some place else. It makes no difference to me how the last guy wired it.
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You think it's fine to troubleshoot your own work on a ladder with your hands over your head instead of on the floor with the switch box chest high ? . If you want to do it, go right ahead ! . Be my guest !

"We get paid to drop lights"
I'm not talking about a keyless. . Most of the lights picked by the owner are a pain in the *** to install just once. . The last thing I want to do is touch them again for any reason. . Some of these lights you have to balance with one hand while you try to line up stems [that you can't see] and have a ball-nut ready with your other hand. . You get to try to line up the stems until your arm starts to cramp and then switch arms. . If you drop a ball-nut, undo it all [probably joints too], get off the ladder and find where it rolled to [maybe] and start all over again.

Thanks ! But no thanks ! . I'll stick to joints in the switch box.

"As for troubleshooting someone else's work, we're electricians."
someone else's work . You changed the subject. . Of course you troubleshoot what you're given. . That's not what I'm talking about.

As far as making things harder on myself, nope. . I'll pass. . I'd rather be a smart electrician than a macho electrician.
 
dnem said:
Most of the lights picked by the owner are a pain in the *** to install just once. . The last thing I want to do is touch them again for any reason. . Some of these lights you have to balance with one hand while you try to line up stems [that you can't see] and have a ball-nut ready with your other hand. . You get to try to line up the stems until your arm starts to cramp and then switch arms. . If you drop a ball-nut, undo it all [probably joints too], get off the ladder and find where it rolled to [maybe] and start all over again.
dnem said:
HA. I've been there.
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dnem said:
Most of the lights picked by the owner are a pain in the *** to install just once. . The last thing I want to do is touch them again for any reason. . Some of these lights you have to balance with one hand while you try to line up stems [that you can't see] and have a ball-nut ready with your other hand. . You get to try to line up the stems until your arm starts to cramp and then switch arms. . If you drop a ball-nut, undo it all [probably joints too], get off the ladder and find where it rolled to [maybe] and start all over again.
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Isn't that why you have an apprentice? :grin: :roll:
 
dnem said:
You think it's fine to troubleshoot your own work on a ladder with your hands over your head instead of on the floor with the switch box chest high ? . If you want to do it, go right ahead ! . Be my guest !

"We get paid to drop lights"
I'm not talking about a keyless. . Most of the lights picked by the owner are a pain in the *** to install just once. . The last thing I want to do is touch them again for any reason. . Some of these lights you have to balance with one hand while you try to line up stems [that you can't see] and have a ball-nut ready with your other hand. . You get to try to line up the stems until your arm starts to cramp and then switch arms. . If you drop a ball-nut, undo it all [probably joints too], get off the ladder and find where it rolled to [maybe] and start all over again.

Thanks ! But no thanks ! . I'll stick to joints in the switch box.

"As for troubleshooting someone else's work, we're electricians."
someone else's work . You changed the subject. . Of course you troubleshoot what you're given. . That's not what I'm talking about.

As far as making things harder on myself, nope. . I'll pass. . I'd rather be a smart electrician than a macho electrician.
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I really have no idea what point you're trying to make but all I hear is a bunch of complaining. Boo hoo...you have to take a light down. :roll:
 
peter d said:
I really have no idea what point you're trying to make but all I hear is a bunch of complaining. Boo hoo...you have to take a light down. :roll:
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Try taking down a light that took 8 hours, two men, and a block & tackle to install. :mad:
 
480sparky said:
Try taking down a light that took 8 hours, two men, and a block & tackle to install. :mad:
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Yeah like that is not a once in a blue moon type of deal.

If I was installing a light like that I might consider where I made splices, but for the typical fixture i will make splices wherever is easy for roughing in without any concern about trouble shooting simple circuits in the future.
 
iwire said:
Yeah like that is not a once in a blue moon type of deal.

If I was installing a light like that I might consider where I made splices, but for the typical fixture i will make splices wherever is easy for roughing in without any concern about trouble shooting simple circuits in the future.
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Yeah, and anyone who says they can put their splices anywhere they like because they don't make mistakes is either 1.) working their first day in the trade or 2.) a flat-out liar.
 
cowboyjwc said:
I'd make all of mine in the switch boxes if I could, what with the bad shoulders and the bad knees, then I wouldn't have to reach up or kneel down.
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I agree. Anyone IMPO who has good experience troubleshooting or trimming out a house that they didn't wire knows that it makes a little more sense to try to keep only switch legs in light fixtures.
 
steelersman said:
I agree. Anyone IMPO who has good experience troubleshooting or trimming out a house that they didn't wire knows that it makes a little more sense to try to keep only switch legs in light fixtures.
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Not only that but as a guy that does oodles of remodel work I love to find a ceiling box with only a switch leg in it.
 
stickboy1375 said:
You guys can cry all you want, I really dont care, but I have never had to take a fixture down to remake a splice... My kids dont cry as much as some of you guys. :D
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I ain't cryin. And someday, you will need to take down a fixture.....
 
stickboy1375 said:
You guys can cry all you want, I really dont care, but I have never had to take a fixture down to remake a splice... My kids dont cry as much as some of you guys. :D
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stickboy1375 said:
You guys can cry all you want, I really dont care, but I have never had to take a fixture down to remake a splice... My kids dont cry as much as some of you guys. :D
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I agree these guys need to quit complaining about people feeding through light boxes.
 
Showing my age.

Showing my age.

stickboy1375 said:
Your just showing your age, I have no problem making splices in a ceiling box. :wink: :grin:
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I hate making up in ceiling boxes. Especially when it's on the dark side, Blech!! Not to mention, I have fibromyalgia and working my arms above my head just about kills me.

Ceiling splices is not a common practice around here. Went out with the 70's. All HR are brought in switch boxes or receptacle boxes.

We see 406.3.D.3.a quite a bit in flip-houses, HO remodels.
 
electricmanscott said:
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Electricmanscott,

Are those bottom teeth still your baby teeth ? . They look awfully small !

PS
You shouldn't cry just because others disagree with you. . We're only expressing our opinion. . You can keep making spiderwebs of Romex in your light boxes and none of us will tease you. . I promise !
 
It's code complient to use a ceiling box for making joints but it wouldn't be very much fun taking down a ceiling fan in a 20' ceiling to find a bad connection .
 
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