THHN Direct Buried

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I looked up in 310.8 and THHN is good for dry and damp location, but even in AZ it can rain for a few weeks. Which I beleive would consider an outside area wet location. Well heres the pics fill me in.

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Are we looking at a bond wire or a GEC? It doesn't matter about the insulation because one isn't even necessary. Or am I missing something
 
Are we looking at a bond wire or a GEC? It doesn't matter about the insulation because one isn't even necessary. Or am I missing something

Agreed. Give that GEC 20 years and it may be bare.

250.62 Grounding Electrode Conductor Material.
The grounding electrode conductor shall be of copper, aluminum, or copper-clad aluminum. The material selected shall be resistant to any corrosive condition existing at the installation or shall be suitably protected against corrosion. The conductor shall be solid or stranded, insulated, covered, or bare.
 
There is a section in the NFPA 13 (sprinkler install standard) that prohibits using the sprinkler piping as a electrode, however it does not say anything about bonding it.:D

Here in the desert the local FD does not want to see any ground wires attached to the sprink pipes:confused:
 
There is a section in the NFPA 13 (sprinkler install standard) that prohibits using the sprinkler piping as a electrode, however it does not say anything about bonding it.:D

Here in the desert the local FD does not want to see any ground wires attached to the sprink pipes:confused:

Same here in San Diego.
 
For the guys hungup on insulation type: Why does it matter?:-?

So I can run a bare grounding wire to bond a pipe but as soon as I use an insulated wire it has to be wet location rated insulation? Does that make any sense at all?
 
For the guys hungup on insulation type: Why does it matter?:-?

So I can run a bare grounding wire to bond a pipe but as soon as I use an insulated wire it has to be wet location rated insulation? Does that make any sense at all?

because thats what the book says :D

you can rollerblade, but as soon as you get on a bike you need a helmet.
 
Dennis can you find the article. I don't see any FPN in 250.52 that would lead me to other code books. I've bonded to these fire mains before with out any problems.

Rick

It is not in the NEC. It is a fire code (sprinkler code) rule in most areas. I don't have access to that code.
 
The sprinkler pipes may be bonded but apparently there is a dielectric fitting to isolate the main supply being used as a grounding electrode. Here is something I found. Section 8-3.5 of NFPA 24 prohibits such use. Below is an excerpt but here is the entire article


Where an effectively grounded metal structural member of a building or an effectively grounded metal water pipe within 5 feet (1.5 meters) of the building's entrance point are available, Section 250-50 of the NEC requires that they be bonded together to become the grounding electrode system. Where these aren't available, some other electrode specified in Sections 250-50 and 250-52 must be used.



A 6-inch sprinkler main would be a good electrode, but Section 8-3.5 of NFPA 24 prohibits using it as such. Sprinkler systems with a dielectric isolator in the main sprinkler supply wouldn't satisfy the requirements for a grounding electrode, either, although the AEC doesn't prohibit bonding the interior piping to the electrical system. Section 250-104(C) of the NEC requires that piping that may become energized be bonded to the service equipment or grounding electrode system.



In electric fire pump installations, the equipment grounding conductor is a wire or metal raceway. The metal sprinkler piping is connected to the pump's metal case, which is bolted to the electric motor so that the sprinkler piping is in electrical contact with the grounding system. Installing a bonding jumper between the electrical grounding system and the sprinkler piping only allows the connection to decrease the voltage differential under a ground-fault condition, making it safer.
The intentional bonding of all the utilities in a building creates an equipotential ground plane that minimizes the voltage differential between the different systems under both normal and abnormal operating conditions. The result is an environment safer from the hazards of electrocution and fire.
 
yeah

what HE said

BOND IT!!!! If ITS METAL!!!

i dont know about Yall, but I go around with a 1/4 - 20 tap tool and install mechanical lugs on ALL ductwork over 20 feet long, every door frame, and all metal studs EVERY 4th one and run 1/0 bare copper continuous (zip tied to ceiling grid) JUST TO MAKE SURE everything is bonded!!!!


(the sheetrock hangers hate me)

so does my boss, come to think about it... ;)
 
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