This is a travesty

[peter d]

 

[mopowr steve]

What, that all those arc fault breakers are taking up to much room in your van?

 

[mbrooke]

Someone is making you install all that snake oil?

 

[peter d]

Someone is making you install all that snake oil?

Sadly yes.

 

[mbrooke]

Sadly yes.

:rant::rant: I can sympathize with your feelings.

 

[peter d]

What, that all those arc fault breakers are taking up to much room in your van?

Yes, I hate having these many paper weights in there. :rant:

 

[480sparky]

Because they're not Federal Pacific? :lol:

 

[hbiss]

All that extra weight can come in handy in snow country. Could also throw some under your tires if you get stuck. About all they are good for.

-Hal

 

[gadfly56]

Because they're not Federal Pacific? :lol:

Ouch! ouch! ouch! :lol:

 

[electrofelon]

What a waste and a shame. I'd like to see the figures for dollars per life saved for afci's vs feeding starving children in Africa, or any number of other things.

 

[peter d]

Because they're not Federal Pacific? :lol:

I trust an FPE more than an AFCI.

 

[mbrooke]

I trust an FPE more than an AFCI.

Both were laboratory rigged to give the results UL wanted to see...

 

[JFletcher]

Both were laboratory rigged to give the results UL wanted to see...

All that extra weight can come in handy in snow country. Could also throw some under your tires if you get stuck. About all they are good for.

-Hal

:lol:

Are those 10 pack cases of AFCI? What the heck are you wiring, an entire neighborhood?

 

[480sparky]

I trust an FPE more than an AFCI.

You trust FPE to fail to function more often than an AFCI?

 

[jap]

What a waste and a shame. I'd like to see the figures for dollars per life saved for afci's vs feeding starving children in Africa, or any number of other things.

And in what way would those figures change your installation practices?

JAP>

 

[ActionDave]

And in what way would those figures change your installation practices?

JAP>

It's not going to change anybody's practices, it's going to illustrate the resources being wasted on AFCIs in the name of safety that could be better used somewhere else.

 

[jap]

It's not going to change anybody's practices, it's going to illustrate the resources being wasted on AFCIs in the name of safety that could be better used somewhere else.

And what will that illustration accomplish?

JAP>

 

[gadfly56]

And what will that illustration accomplish?

JAP>

It is arguable that forcing consumers to have AFCI's installed by manufacturers using standards writing organizations as a vehicle to mandate their use without proof of efficacy is a form of theft by deception.

 

[jap]

It is arguable that forcing consumers to have AFCI's installed by manufacturers using standards writing organizations as a vehicle to mandate their use without proof of efficacy is a form of theft by deception.

So why don't the ones that feel that way take a stand and refuse to install them?

JAP>

 

[mbrooke]

So why don't the ones that feel that way take a stand and refuse to install them?

JAP>

People fear authority. Code proposals fall onto deaf ears.