This just looks wrong...

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WARNING!!! do not park your company truck within 5000' of this building.

So, you want a real good price,hey,let me see what I can do.
 
mdshunk said:
Yeah, that happens quite a bit. When my kids were young, it took all I could do to keep them from hammering nails into the SE cable everytime they went outside to play.
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My guess is that boys are more interested in removing screws and exploring. . I think the possibility of them removing an LB cover and then "working" in the LB is the greater threat.

David
 
dcspector said:
and what state are You referring to?.....DC is still under the frigin 96? I am tested to 05 and You think that SER connector is a DRY location Damp ain't gonna happen ? Also, The SE must be protected 230.50? So what are You sayin ?
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When you're in a state that jumps on the latest code, isn't not always the best thing. . When the 2005 code hit, Ohio jumped right on it and we were all left scratching our heads trying to figure out how to apply 680.26. . The states that have a delayed adoption have the advantage of watching the rest of us fall all over ourselves.

I have a bad feeling we're going to see problems under the expanded AFCI rules for 2008. . By the time DC hits the 2008 code, AFCI might actually be working properly.

David
 
romeo said:
I find that closing the meter socket in that way creates condensation and rots the siding in back of it. I once tried to pull a meter and ended up pulling the meter socket from the building.
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While all top and side openings should be thoroughly sealed, there's a balancing act when dealing with the bottom. . Close it up too tight and you prevent drainage that is likely to be needed. . Leave openings that are too large and you get bugs and even bees nesting inside. . If the opening is large enough you'll get mice in there too.

David
 
infinity said:
IMO the standard locknut would not be code compliant since the raceway is above the live exposed parts within the meter pan. A sealing locknut or Myers hub should have been used. Is duct seal a substitute for the proper fitting?
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The sealing locknut does too good of a job and causes problems of its own. . The duct seal can have tiny relief holes poked thru it which makes it the better choice.

David
 
racerdave3 said:
So just because your personal opinion is that a sevice that is done in SE looks like crap, it means that the job results in an installation of poor workmanship? I personally take great exception to that comment. Every installation that I have ever done that involved the use of SE cable has been "in a neat and workmanlike mannner" and displayed the highest level of workmanship AND CRAFTSMANSHIP.........and furthermore has never failed in any way shape or form. If you are so anti-cable, does that mean that you also have anti-romex issues when wiring residential? Are all of your installations done in MC cable, conduit? I think the bottom line is that the NEC approves acceptable methods for all installations, and the AHJ follows those quidelines in the inspection process. Any of these acceptable installations can be done in a neat and workmanlike manner by a skilled craftsman, or just thown together by a hack. If you feel that strongly about your opposition to the uses of SE cable for service installations, then perhaps you should convey your concerns to the cade making panels and have them exclude the use of SE cable in the NEC.
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Excuse me. The pic in the original post looks like crap if it's not your work I wasn't refering to you. And It is JMO anyway. As far as romex you'll never see any exposed romex on a job I complete.
 
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bikeindy said:
Excuse me. The pic in the original post looks like crap
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Look this is not how this is going to go.

If you have a professional comment about it feel free to say it.

If all you have in mind is throwing stones than keep it to yourself.
 
I'm sorry...

I'm sorry...

Look everyone I'm sorry this thread has gone in this direction. This was not my intent.

As stated in an earlier post of mine, this is something I do not see in my area so when I saw this installation and I was taken aback.

I think I was asking if this was a common installation in other areas.

Please don't let this thread take an even more turn for the worst.
 
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iwire said:
Look this is not how this is going to go.

If you have a professional comment about it feel free to say it.

If all you have in mind is throwing stones than keep it to yourself.
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I'm not throwing stones, I thought this post was going to be over a long time ago. I gave an opinion on what I thought of the work I saw in the original post. I know it is code compliant. Thats it. I gave my Professional opinion, I am not throwing stones, I've seen plenty of code compliant work that was poor in my opinion. Iwire just close the thread we have determined that the work was code compliant enough said.
 
1793 said:
As stated in an earlier post of mine, this is something I do not see in my area so when I saw this installation and I was taken aback.

I think I was asking if this was a common installation in other areas.
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Very very common here in northern Ohio

bikeindy said:
I know it is code compliant
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I agree

stickboy1375 said:
I was curious if only the north east uses SE cable? I can't see Southwire making the stuff just for us...:smile:
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We see aluminum SE used all over the place. . Not only the service but feeders and 240volt branch circuits for circuits 40amp and higher. . It?s very common to see the smaller aluminum SE supplying the range on a 40a breaker.

David
 
We used SE-R around here for feeders, through the interior of buildings. We never use them outside, except for temp power.

stickboy said:
I was curious if only the north east uses SE cable?
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I think SE is used all over the place.

Perhaps your question should be, "Is SE cable used outdoors in a permanent fashion anywhere but the northeast?" :)

Bikeindy, that question is about all that's keeping this thread open, IMO. If Norb asks to close it we will, it's his thread. Hopefully, the tone stays mellow, some responses come into this question, and the world keeps spinning in greased grooves. :)
 
Down south you will see a lot of services run with SE cable.
My own home has it.
A vertical run of about 12' from the attachment on the outside wall, down the wall (wood siding), and about 9' thru the wall to the Main Panel.
It's been there for 29 years and still looks good, no problems.
4/0 Al, 3 conductor.
I use it if I can.
Depending on the type of siding, I sometimes put it in PVC conduit.
Some jurisdictions won't allow SE cable in contact with brick or masonary siding.
steve
 
georgestolz said:
Perhaps your question should be, "Is SE cable used outdoors in a permanent fashion anywhere but the northeast?" :)
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For northern Ohio the answer is: Yes it is used and used quite frequently
Used in permanent fashion both inside and out, both exposed and concealed
 
Types SE and SER cables are used all over my area(east-central Indiana)both outdoors and indoors. Most overhead residential services installed prior to 1980 around here use SE cable risors. Since 1980(or so) most overhead services have consisted of PVC conduit where the attachment point for the drop is not dependent on the risor for support. If the risor is dependent for the support of the attachment point 2 inch RMC has been the required minimum for a risor mast by both of the PoCos in my area for as long as anyone can remember. Does an installation using SE/SER look like crap? I suppose it can or someone might think it does. That depends on the installer and the beholder, I guess. Is it more likely to sustain physical damage? That's a judgment call that has to be determined on a situation by situation basis.
 
Has anyone else used the newer style Se Cable? I used some today on a 200A service change and it kicked my b*tt! It was easily twice as thick as the last stuff I used. Needless to say the cold weather didn't help. Seemed like it would hold up much better to the weather.

Tom
 
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