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My understanding is that the lights must be on anytime a space is occupied, IBC 1006.1. But this issue is not addressed in the NEC
 
david luchini said:
IBC 1006 relates to Means of Egress Illumination. I wouldn't think that the bathroom would be part of the means of egress.
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You'd have to egress from it if you were in there attending to business when the lighting timer shut off the lights...............:p
 
Egress path

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that is my point if you are in a non-residential bathroom such as a pool house you must an exit sign and or Bug eye. The NEC does not even address timered light switches, however it does address occupancy sensors in the place of a snap switch if it can be over ridden.
 
But state or local energy codes (not in the NEC) will require occupancy sensors to dim or turn off lights when the rooms are empty.
The NEC will tell you how you can wire them up.

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Joseph Alexander said:
that is my point if you are in a non-residential bathroom such as a pool house you must an exit sign and or Bug eye. The NEC does not even address timered light switches, however it does address occupancy sensors in the place of a snap switch if it can be over ridden.
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Non dwelling bathrooms would not require a wall switch controlled lighting outlet either, substituting a occupancy sensor for a snap switch is not an NEC issue here, whether it has an override or not.
 
luckylerado said:
Sure. Why would it not be?
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I hope it's OK. I put a timer switch on the outlet by my wife's bathroom counter. She has this hair iron (I don't know what you call such a device) that gets really hot and which she can't seem to remember to turn off. She had left it powered up sitting on the counter several times when we left the house and it melted stuff on the counter as well as a hole in the carpet when it fell off. A hot tub timer solved that.
 
GoldDigger said:
Hair iron types commonly mentioned included curling iron (most common) and straightening iron (if the hair is curly to start.)
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Straightening iron, yeah. We were at a play one night and in the intermission she told me she had left the damn thing on -- again. I put the timer in the next day. My installation may not be exactly to code, but it's a helluva lot safer than it was.
 
Those curling irons and straighteners have had auto shut off timer built into them for at least 20 years, maybe more.

Most are poor enough quality they won't last more then 3-5 years so she probably doesn't have a really old one unless she hardly ever uses it.
 
kwired said:
Those curling irons and straighteners have had auto shut off timer built into them for at least 20 years, maybe more.

Most are poor enough quality they won't last more then 3-5 years so she probably doesn't have a really old one unless she hardly ever uses it.
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That is not a very accurate statement. I have the same problem with my wife leaving hers plugged in. She has bought a couple different ones in the last few years and neither of them have automatic shut-off.
There may be some brands that have it but to say "those curling irons and straighteners" implies that all do, and that is not the case.
 
Little Bill said:
That is not a very accurate statement. I have the same problem with my wife leaving hers plugged in. She has bought a couple different ones in the last few years and neither of them have automatic shut-off.
There may be some brands that have it but to say "those curling irons and straighteners" implies that all do, and that is not the case.
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Ok the "straighteners" I have no experience with, but all the curling irons my wife has ever purchased in at least the last 20 years I'm pretty sure had auto off feature, I assumed it was standard safety feature required to be put on the product, and assumed the straighteners likely needed to comply with same standards.

I can remember her complaining the thing was off many times over the years if she let it run too long and it timed out.
 
kwired said:
Ok the "straighteners" I have no experience with, but all the curling irons my wife has ever purchased in at least the last 20 years I'm pretty sure had auto off feature, I assumed it was standard safety feature required to be put on the product, and assumed the straighteners likely needed to comply with same standards.
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Apparently they do not. It's probably a feature, not a standard.
 
Joseph Alexander said:
that is my point if you are in a non-residential bathroom such as a pool house you must an exit sign and or Bug eye. The NEC does not even address timered light switches, however it does address occupancy sensors in the place of a snap switch if it can be over ridden.
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I dont know of any code that requires that. Maybe it's a local requirement.
 
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