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Well its not in the NEC code its not in any building code its a engineering thing every job we do in the specs it clearly states .

And sometimes in the contract in basic wording = All Support methods shall be independent of other sub contractors support & material methods of design & support and shall not be supported or attached from said support method of or engineered design of other sub contractor .This is to elude clear design and support methods of each sub contractor .

In basic electricians words if it falls whos fault is it ?

But i do it on lots of jobs but only with the other trades permission and its not coming down in this life time .

We all work together i let them sometimes run there control pipes on my racks if they ask !

Then they O us big time ! ITS JUST GOOD JOB SENSE AND LESS DAMAGE WHEN OTHERS ARE BEHIND AND IF THEY DO IT IT BETTER LOOK GOOD AS OUR PIPE OR ITS COMING DOWN
 
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Just a reminder, the individual disciplines and their Codes are still at play.

It's the nature to the orginal statement that's try'n to be addressed.

It's not a cavaliar application, and not now a free for-all!

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AV ELECTRIC said:
I personally would not want this system its great your trying to work together but this could lead to some problems . Determining how much space you get per trade location of pipes how to determine who does what and cost . working on top of each other and oops i for got a pipe or i made a mistake on my location on the rack and crossing pipes that create the spaghetti effect . To many kids in the cookie jar.
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Whether any one would want it or not is not the issue, the question was concerning code issues.

This is a very large project that will last until 2012 and will take extensive coordination between the MEP contractors which has and will continue to take place until the end. In many areas the duct work literally takes up the whole ceiling space and the conduits take up the whole width of the immediate area under the duct, using a common trapeze for all the systems is basically a necessity.

Roger
 
ohmhead said:
Well its not in the NEC code its not in any building code its a engineering thing every job we do in the specs it clearly states .

And sometimes in the contract in basic wording = All Support methods shall be independent of other sub contractors support & material methods of design & support and shall not be supported or attached from said support method of or engineered design of other sub contractor .This is to elude clear design and support methods of each sub contractor .

In basic electricians words if it falls whos fault is it ?

But i do it on lots of jobs but only with the other trades permission and its not coming down in this life time .

We all work together i let them sometimes run there control pipes on my racks if they ask !

Then they O us big time ! ITS JUST GOOD JOB SENSE AND LESS DAMAGE WHEN OTHERS ARE BEHIND AND IF THEY DO IT IT BETTER LOOK GOOD AS OUR PIPE OR ITS COMING DOWN
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Nick, ninety percent of my work is on larger projects and I am quite familiar with contract documents.

As I said early on, it is an inspector trying to enforce something that is not there, it has nothing to do with specs or drawing notes.

Roger
 
Does he have a problem with a specific system sharing the trapeze? Maybe you can isolate that system by keeping it in the same location but isolating it off the trapeze .
 
AV ELECTRIC said:
Does he have a problem with a specific system sharing the trapeze? Maybe you can isolate that system by keeping it in the same location but isolating it off the trapeze .
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What it boils down to is that he has been told that one trade can not support it's system off of another trades system and this is true, but there is nothing prohibiting using a common trapeze or rack for the MEP.

Roger
 
Tell the HVAC to go High and right :) consistantly...

A couple of weekends infront of the hvac's might be a consideration!

Frankly, all I could think about was being "vertical" w/ a rack of conduit, and some vertical junction boxs. But it's been awhile...
 
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roger said:
Ok, I'm in a field office right now and don't have my normal access to any other code books besides the NEC, with that said, does anybody know of any other code that would prohibit all trades from getting together and building a trapeze large enough to accommodate all the systems. Common racks for all systems are the norm on roofs so if the strut, angle iron, and rod for a trapeze are engineered for the load, what code(s) would be violated?

Note that no trade is supporting from another, all are on the trapeze.

There is a local inspector using the "it's in the building code" for substantiation to his turning down the overhead RI inspection.


I know there is nothing in the NEC and Mechanical codes that prohibit it but I need to make sure the IBC (or specifically the NC State Code) doesn't have anything that would.


Thanks
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In OC NJ we did just that, shared it with the plumbers and data
 
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