Twisting ground wires in romex
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Yes it does
Ask the inspector to show you where this can be seen in writing.
Roger
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I agree. IMO there should be no twisting other than the part that's under the wire nut.
curt swartz
Electrical Contractor - San Jose, CA
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Roger, did you read the question correctly?
OP, I agree with the inspector. Just twisting the wires is not compliant.
OP, I agree with the inspector. Just twisting the wires is not compliant.
hillbilly1
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Yeah, I missed the "without" part too. Until recently we did not have inspections up here, A friend of mine had me inspect the builder's electricians work, He had several violations one of which was he just twisted the wires without crimps or wirenuts, he was insulted when I told him it did not meet code, he said "We don't do things that way up here". Since we have inspections now, I bet he's really PO'ed now!
Hello Curt, yes I did read the question correctly and it asked if a barrel crimp or "green" wire nut was required which neither one is specifically required, any approved method of splicing conductors is fine. I never implied that "twisting only" was an approved method.
Roger
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One-eyed Jack
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hotwire1955
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why only under the the wire nut?
Jim W in Tampa
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Choice is yours , crimp, greenie or red wire nut. I prefer greenies . Twisting alone is a no go
One-eyed Jack
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I can't answer for infinity. First it is a wasted effort. Second, it makes a very stiff wire that is hard to bend back into the box. Why make work for yourself that only causes carpal tunel ? Oop's forgot a wire. Need a winch to get it back out of the box.
curt swartz
Electrical Contractor - San Jose, CA
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- Electrical Contractor
Hi Roger, I guess your answer was correct but I thought you were agreeing that just twisting was sufficient.
jaylectricity
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How tight would you be twisting them? I like them twisted because it's easier to manage as a single entity than 4-5 conductors all choosing their own path as I try to bend them back.
Split Bolt
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- Northern Virginia
I too thought you were saying you don't need anything on the splice...in fact I still think you were saying that!
macmikeman
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Wus....:grin:
kwired
Electron manager
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- NE Nebraska
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4-12AWG twisted together becomes a single 6AWG as far as approximate cross sectional area. It becomes more difficult to manage a #6 in a small box - now if you have 4 12AWG cables entering a box we are likely talking about at least a 2 gang box if it contains devices, or 4 inch square with mud ring.
Jim W in Tampa
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Got to watch them #12's they gang up and will whip you LOL
mivey
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Like the Tums commercial with the spaghetti slapping the woman in the face. :grin:
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- Journeyman Electrician
OEJ pretty much summed it up. I'm usually the guy who has to open that splice with 4" of bare conductors twisted together. :roll:
One-eyed Jack
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I am not having as much trouble as the nails and the plastic box. Like Infinity said I am the one who usually has to unwind that joint to fix someone else boo-boo. The twisters I have been behind twisted everthing all the way back to the conduit or cable clamp. Now we have the equivalent of 3-4 # 6 solid wires to stuff in a plastic box.
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