Unplugging Appilances when not in use

[kwired]

If you replace an outlet with exactly what was there before, are you bound to upgrade it to code? I thought not, but I am frequently wrong.

OK exception 2 says it doesn't apply when replacing receptacles. I think adding a switch like was mentioned would be considered adding a device and probably even if a switch/receptacle on one yoke.

 

[Strathead]

OK exception 2 says it doesn't apply when replacing receptacles. I think adding a switch like was mentioned would be considered adding a device and probably even if a switch/receptacle on one yoke.

In most jurisdictions the building department will also require you to pull a permit so they can get their vig, are you going to do that to? Just no way in the world I am going to worry about putting an AFCI recept in my house.

 

[kwired]

In most jurisdictions the building department will also require you to pull a permit so they can get their vig, are you going to do that to? Just no way in the world I am going to worry about putting an AFCI recept in my house.

How many those required permits get filed for just changing out one device? How do they ever find out they didn't get filed other than the rare case of catching someone at the right moment?

We don't need permits for that kind of thing here.

And with dwellings we could even add new circuits and not need permits. Here dwellings only require permits when service is new/replaced.

 

[Strathead]

How many those required permits get filed for just changing out one device? How do they ever find out they didn't get filed other than the rare case of catching someone at the right moment?

We don't need permits for that kind of thing here.

And with dwellings we could even add new circuits and not need permits. Here dwellings only require permits when service is new/replaced.

I was referring to adding a switch not R and R of a single receptacle.

 

[kwired]

I was referring to adding a switch not R and R of a single receptacle.

So you technically are in violation of local permitting rules if you replaced a duplex receptacle with a combination switch/receptacle and only connected it to switch the receptacle on same yoke, and didn't file a permit?

 

[Strathead]

So you technically are in violation of local permitting rules if you replaced a duplex receptacle with a combination switch/receptacle and only connected it to switch the receptacle on same yoke, and didn't file a permit?

I would say yes, it is a modification of the electrical system. I removed a bad light fixture yesterday in my house. I put two back. I ran about 4 feet of romex. between them and didn't put a single strap on it. It doesn't need it from any safety or visual reason only because code says so. I guarantee that here in Florida, if I asked the building department they would require, a floor plan/site plan, and about $120 for a permit.

 

[david luchini]

OK exception 2 says it doesn't apply when replacing receptacles.

I don't think you are reading the exception correctly, unless I misunderstand what you are saying here.

 

[kwired]

I would say yes, it is a modification of the electrical system. I removed a bad light fixture yesterday in my house. I put two back. I ran about 4 feet of romex. between them and didn't put a single strap on it. It doesn't need it from any safety or visual reason only because code says so. I guarantee that here in Florida, if I asked the building department they would require, a floor plan/site plan, and about $120 for a permit.

And some handyman would have done it for $50 plus materials, right?:blink: Best friend might have even done if for a couple beers.

 

[david luchini]

If you replace an outlet with exactly what was there before, are you bound to upgrade it to code?

As kwired noted, 406.4(D) deals with receptacle replacement.

 

[Coppersmith]

How many those required permits get filed for just changing out one device? How do they ever find out they didn't get filed other than the rare case of catching someone at the right moment?

In my jurisdiction a permit is required if any wire or receptacle is changed, added, deleted. How many get filed? Almost none. I know this because permits are public records and our permit departments make them easily available to review online. In scanning through 100's of permit applications, I very rarely see small jobs. They are all major multi-trade projects or panel changes where the POCO insists on an inspection before power can be restored. Does this mean that none of the hundreds of EC's around here are doing small jobs? (To quote Al Borland) "I don't think so Tim."

 

[romex jockey]

In my jurisdiction a permit is required if any wire or receptacle is changed, added, deleted. How many get filed? Almost none. I know this because permits are public records and our permit departments make them easily available to review online. In scanning through 100's of permit applications, I very rarely see small jobs. They are all major multi-trade projects or panel changes where the POCO insists on an inspection before power can be restored. Does this mean that none of the hundreds of EC's around here are doing small jobs? (To quote Al Borland) "I don't think so Tim."

I'd vote for that, in a perfect electrical world , but sadly the reality is far from this ~RJ~

 

[kwired]

I don't think you are reading the exception correctly, unless I misunderstand what you are saying here.

Never mind, I didn't read it carefully enough, or the section it refers you to.

 

[mtfallsmikey]

Only thing I have to add... Put it on an AFCI, and shunt trip :lol:

 

[MAC702]

... Two electricians in the house and we still couldn't convince her so we took the easy way out Just agree and disconnected everything. It made life a damn site easier.

Shut the main breaker off every night or when you leave the house. "Can't be too safe."