Unspliced Pool Light Equipment Grounding Conductor

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If placing a wall switch on the exterior of a dwelling in a surface mounted nonmetallic box for control of the underwater luminaire, what will be the proper installation of the equipment grounding conductor?
 
volt101 said:
If placing a wall switch on the exterior of a dwelling in a surface mounted nonmetallic box for control of the underwater luminaire, what will be the proper installation of the equipment grounding conductor?
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Try reading art. 680.23(F)(2) 2005 & 2008
 
I have read that several times and that is the reasoning of my question.

What have electricians been doing to 'not splice or join' the grounding conductors in the box were the switch is required to be grounded?
 
volt101 said:
If placing a wall switch on the exterior of a dwelling in a surface mounted nonmetallic box for control of the underwater luminaire, what will be the proper installation of the equipment grounding conductor?
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Does the switch come out of a pool panel or is it in-line between the panel and tranny?
 
I would run the switch and the pool lites back to the panel, this way you dont have to worry about 680.23(F)(2)


but I would also check out 680.23(F)(2) exception (b)
 
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If it is in conduit, as it should be they just loop the ground wire thru the switch and strip it in the middle.

Edit-- I don't believe it needs to be unbroken
 
680.23(F)(2)(b) If the underwater luminaire is supplied from a transformer, ground-fault circuit interrupter, clock-operated switch, or a manual snap switch that is located between the panelboard and a junction box connected to the conduit that extends directly to the underwater luminaire, the equipment grounding conductor shall be permitted to terminate on grounding terminals on the transformer, ground-fault circuit interrupter, clock-operated switch enclosure, or an outlet box used to enclose a snap switch.
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In order to install the equipment grounding conductor without a joint or splice, unless the above is satisfied, I was wondering how to terminate the equipment grounding conductor on a plastic box.......Then again, what is a splice and what is a joint?

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: I can foresee the future...some will say it if I don't....Use plastic screws:D

I do agree with Stickboy
Stickboy1375 said:
I would run the switch and the pool lites back to the panel, this way you don't have to worry about 680.23(F)(2)
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That is a code compliant suggestion....Expensive in some installations, but effective.....
 
volt102 said:
I was wondering how to terminate the equipment grounding conductor on a plastic box.......Then again, what is a splice and what is a joint?
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I would guess that to be code compliant as written the JB would have to be metal. This section has always been odd to me that's why I just loop it. Can't go wrong there.
 
Pierre C Belarge said:
I am not sure if I understand some of the posts in regard to the wiring method being used.

Is it being said that the wiring is installed from the panel, to a light switch, then from the light switch to the forming shell?
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I believe that is what is being said by the op
 
I don't believe there is a rule disallowing multiple EGC's in the same conduit. I ran one unspliced to the pool J Box and a second one for the GFCI receptacle and switch.
 
The question asked whether or not the switch box was between the panel and the pool light junction box does, imo, dictates whether or not the installation is compliant.

If I pull two grounds and pull one through the switch box to the pool light junction box without terminating or splicing it at the switch box I haven't complied with the following
2008 NEC said:
250.148 Continuity and Attachment of Equipment Grounding Conductors to Boxes.
Where circuit conductors are spliced within a box, or terminated on equipment within or supported by a box, any equipment grounding conductor(s) associated with those circuit conductors shall be connected within the box or to the box with devices suitable for the use in accordance with 250.148(A) through (E).
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volt102 said:
The question asked whether or not the switch box was between the panel and the pool light junction box does, imo, dictates whether or not the installation is compliant.

If I pull two grounds and pull one through the switch box to the pool light junction box without terminating or splicing it at the switch box I haven't complied with the following
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Jim I believe stickboy was saying to run a conduit from the switch to the panel and from the pool light to the panel. Two separate runs --- this would be a legal install.
 
Pierre C Belarge said:
My question.
Is the install of the inpool light supply, from the panel directly to the switch, then from the switch directly to the pool forming shell?
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Sorry for the confusion Pierre. The question does not state how the piping is laid out. It was a question only concerning the equipment grounding conductor that is associated with the pool light. The question indirectly ends up asking, if the arrangements of grounding conductors dictate it, how to pipe it.

To answer your question directly - "from the switch directly to the pool forming shell?" N0....680.24....There would need to be a pool light junction box installed somewhere along this section of pipe.

I hope this helps....
 
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