bphgravity
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Anoyone see an issuwith a recessed incandescent installed "face up" on a plant shelf? Can 410.65(A) be complied with if the trim is enclosed?
Upside Down Recessed Fixture
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sandsnow
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Re: Upside Down Recessed Fixture
110.3(B) comes to mind. You might check the UL luminaire marking guide. Note 54 seems to apply to this case. It doesn't appear they are investigated for face up mounting.
I also seem to remember some lamps are designed to burn base up only, some halogens??, I can't remember.
As far as 410.65(A), it doesn't have to since 410.64 only covers walls and ceilings. (I just had to get technical, sorry)
110.3(B) comes to mind. You might check the UL luminaire marking guide. Note 54 seems to apply to this case. It doesn't appear they are investigated for face up mounting.
I also seem to remember some lamps are designed to burn base up only, some halogens??, I can't remember.
As far as 410.65(A), it doesn't have to since 410.64 only covers walls and ceilings. (I just had to get technical, sorry)
bphgravity
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Re: Upside Down Recessed Fixture
I see where you are comming from based on the wording of Note 54. I guess a "plant shelf" is not a ceiling or a wall?
[ November 29, 2005, 02:55 PM: Message edited by: bphgravity ]
I see where you are comming from based on the wording of Note 54. I guess a "plant shelf" is not a ceiling or a wall?
[ November 29, 2005, 02:55 PM: Message edited by: bphgravity ]
pierre
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Re: Upside Down Recessed Fixture
"Isn't there a section somewhere that states if the code doesn't say yea or nea on an installation, the AHJ can just make up whatever they want? "
The issue with that is, did you miss it?
There are other referenced standards, etc... that may need to be looked at. I know that I don't know it all, it is what I don't know that makes me nervous.
"Isn't there a section somewhere that states if the code doesn't say yea or nea on an installation, the AHJ can just make up whatever they want? "
The issue with that is, did you miss it?
There are other referenced standards, etc... that may need to be looked at. I know that I don't know it all, it is what I don't know that makes me nervous.
frenchelectrican
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Re: Upside Down Recessed Fixture
Bryan:
I am little consdering about the upside down lumiaiare cans but if for planters the biggest issuse is overheating protection if run in inverted postion [ i am sure someone will be tempting to oversize the bulb in there ] the other issuse is the lens tell you the truth Bryan the lens is not 100 percent to keep the dust etc out it will slip thru the small opening there.
there is few manufacters can do have " in ground " resseced lumiaires that shine up and it is complety waterproof and they have overheat sensor at diffrent location than the standard ressced cans type are.
if you need manufacter name let me know i will one way or other email the link for you [ sorry i have to follow the rules here about advisering here i dont want any trouble in here ] [ this is not my own ad at all thanks ]
P.S. before my brain get froze up if have real plants then it willbe classifed as damp/wet location but fake plants it can be either dry or damp location { i rather keep in damp loaction ratings ]
Merci , Marc
Bryan:
I am little consdering about the upside down lumiaiare cans but if for planters the biggest issuse is overheating protection if run in inverted postion [ i am sure someone will be tempting to oversize the bulb in there ] the other issuse is the lens tell you the truth Bryan the lens is not 100 percent to keep the dust etc out it will slip thru the small opening there.
there is few manufacters can do have " in ground " resseced lumiaires that shine up and it is complety waterproof and they have overheat sensor at diffrent location than the standard ressced cans type are.
if you need manufacter name let me know i will one way or other email the link for you [ sorry i have to follow the rules here about advisering here i dont want any trouble in here ] [ this is not my own ad at all thanks ]
P.S. before my brain get froze up if have real plants then it willbe classifed as damp/wet location but fake plants it can be either dry or damp location { i rather keep in damp loaction ratings ]
Merci , Marc
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Re: Upside Down Recessed Fixture
I think if you take a look at Incandescent Recessed Luminaires (IEZX) in the UL White book you will find enough there to say that the fixtures are only listed for walls and ceilings.
The section goes on to state
I am not sure I understand what ground mounted means while at the same time it is face up in a wooden deck.
larryl
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Re: Upside Down Recessed Fixture
WOULD LOW VOLTAGE "PUCK" LIGHTING WORK FOR YA,,
...JUST A THOUGHT......
WOULD LOW VOLTAGE "PUCK" LIGHTING WORK FOR YA,,
...JUST A THOUGHT......
larryl
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sorry for the caps,,i did'nt realize it till it was to late......
larry
sorry for the caps,,i did'nt realize it till it was to late......
larry
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Re: Upside Down Recessed Fixture
The great thing is they see a problem but do not wish to "make up rules" that do not exist. They want to be able to cite a code and feel comfortable that they have made the proper call.
Just because we do not like something does not mean it is a code violation.
In this case it is my opinion that Byran could say it is a 110.3(B) violation.
g3guy you might want to know the 'players' before you go accusing people of not thinking.
The great thing is they see a problem but do not wish to "make up rules" that do not exist. They want to be able to cite a code and feel comfortable that they have made the proper call.
Just because we do not like something does not mean it is a code violation.
In this case it is my opinion that Byran could say it is a 110.3(B) violation.
bphgravity
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Re: Upside Down Recessed Fixture
Sometimes it seems there is nothing you can do right for some people.
Sometimes it seems there is nothing you can do right for some people.
sandsnow
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Re: Upside Down Recessed Fixture
Originally posted by g3guy:
Come on people! Try thinking; plant shelf=water. Is this also a typical metal shelf assembly? We're talking pool luminaires to make this safe!
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