USB/120V combination receptacles

[Andy Delle]

You need to review the old saying. When pointing your finger at someone you have three pointing at yourself.

It is not over the requirement if it is code in this state. I will say it again. If you got away with it then so be it. It was not code compliant, and you know so now!

I will bet you money that in this entire state it is code and thus such are requirement. Even if a inspector is not looking for it does not make it legit to not install as per code requirements.

You are one of those EE that apparently do not do things per code, such as shunt trip at the time. I remember you had the code required shunt trip disabled in one of the data centers years ago. In my opinion and recollection. That was not the only thing I personally remember in my opinion and recollection.

You are making this sound like I blatantly violated the code. I went far above that by openly asking if some recent NEC items, specifically AFCI and TR were required on this project and if so to what degree. An official plan checker, a licensed PE gave me the requirements. I followed then and the work was subsequently approved by two different inspectors. You are correct I don't know every detail of the current code - who does besides Mr. Holt?

I have done nothing wrong here in my view and my in my limited legal knowledge nothing actionable either. I brought it up here simply as a matter of discussion. You are all high and mighty over the code book but fail to see reality. Like in my litigation example. It's not about anybody getting in trouble, parties don't like going into a law suit on their back foot as would be the case here. Such a case would be clear negligence on the part of the county. Plus another place I don't think some see here is the money trail. That's all that matters for the county. They got their $4900 in permit and plan check fees. And now with signoff they get to bite into my property taxes. That's all that have left under Prop 13. Do you really believe they will come back and compromise that. An open permit bears no tax fruit.

As for your data center comment, it was not a data center per se. It was a television broadcast and production center and if you recall I was the one who specified the shunt trip technical mains. It was after some yahoo tripped it for fun and took us down for a couple of hours that I was ordered to disable it. I was an employee following orders. And show me in the 1987 code where a shunt trip was required in that application. It was not. I specified it for HVAC failure protection.

Now since you brought this history up, weren't you the EC who attempted to connect a three phase 800amp panel across a split phase service while at the same time, the DWP was installing a new three phase pad mount? I remember the DWP refused to make the connection after seeing that. You had to upgrade the main service to three phase as well. Now in all fairness you were probably bullied by my superiors to keep the existing switch gear but where was you almighty code book then?

 

[Andy Delle]

What you claim you did was not CA code compliant.
The intention of the code is to retrofit just like CA requires any permit over 1000.00 smoke and CO devices must be installed.
Some locals like los Angeles city require GFCI upon sale.
What is your problem here. Its code. You got away with it.
Not to code as you describe.
Move on or install a Afci at the beginning of the extension. FYI those outlet AFCI are not much of a issue as the do not have GFCI circuitry.

And add TR for all existing outlets replaced or new. oh and GFCI for all those areas requiring have replaced.
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Then you would be compliant. IMHO

And those required smoke and CO detectors are installed as specified. Inspected and approved. So is everything else they required. GFCI's are installed in kitchen, bathrooms, and garage as per the 1990 code cycle.

They don't require AFCI on extension circuits or TR. You seem to have a problem with that. I don't.

 

[Sierrasparky]

And those required smoke and CO detectors are installed as specified. Inspected and approved. So is everything else they required. GFCI's are installed in kitchen, bathrooms, and garage as per the 1990 code cycle.

They don't require AFCI on extension circuits or TR. You seem to have a problem with that. I don't.

Dude as long as you keep posting fiction I will keep posting a true and responsive reply.

WE ALL KNOW YOU DID NOT GET A CORRECTION FOR NOT HAVING INSTALLED THE AFCI DEVICE IN THE REQUIRED PER CODE PLACES. LA COUNTY HAS NO SUCH AMENDMENTS AND THUS CAN ONLY ENFORCE A LEGITIMATE AMENDMENT AS PER LAW OR ENFORCE THE CODE AS WRITTEN. LA CAN ONLY FILE FOR A AMENDMENT IF IT IS MORE RESTRICTIVE AND IS DUE TO EITHER OF 3 REASONS, CLIMATIC , TOPOGRPHIC OR SEISMIC. WHICH THERE IS NONE.

SO FACE IT IN MY OPIONON YOU ARE A SCAFLAW.

IT WAS AND IS A CODE REQUIREMENT AND YOU FAILED TO COMPLY AS PER YOUR STATEMENTS AND PER MY EXPERT OPINION.

MOVE ON!

 

[Andy Delle]

Dude as long as you keep posting fiction I will keep posting a true and responsive reply.

WE ALL KNOW YOU DID NOT GET A CORRECTION FOR NOT HAVING INSTALLED THE AFCI DEVICE IN THE REQUIRED PER CODE PLACES. LA COUNTY HAS NO SUCH AMENDMENTS AND THUS CAN ONLY ENFORCE A LEGITIMATE AMENDMENT AS PER LAW OR ENFORCE THE CODE AS WRITTEN. LA CAN ONLY FILE FOR A AMENDMENT IF IT IS MORE RESTRICTIVE AND IS DUE TO EITHER OF 3 REASONS, CLIMATIC , TOPOGRPHIC OR SEISMIC. WHICH THERE IS NONE.

SO FACE IT IN MY OPIONON YOU ARE A SCAFLAW.

IT WAS AND IS A CODE REQUIREMENT AND YOU FAILED TO COMPLY AS PER YOUR STATEMENTS AND PER MY EXPERT OPINION.

MOVE ON!

I followed the specifications of my AHJ. The plans were approved and inspections were approved. You need to get over it.

 

[ActionDave]

Good night everybody.