Using ChatGBT as a tool

don_resqcapt19 said:
I was at the Illinois School Board Conference with my wife, who is a board member, and sat in on a session on AI.
The presenter asked ChatCBT some questions related to education. It came back with some very detailed information and even had citations...the only issue was that none of the citations were real. When he got the paid version and asked the same things, he again got back detailed information, but this time with real citations.
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That is both fascinating and troubling.
 
retirede said:
That is both fascinating and troubling.
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Look up the issues with AI transcription programs making up things "hallucinations". These are paid programs used for business and medical transcription and some versions have made up information in about 2% of the transcriptions.
 
retirede said:
This is a year old, so it might have shifted somewhat.

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Seems to counter intuitive since most people are talking about going green and renewable energy.
 
Computation is a strange bedfellow for renewables.

Computation has 2 costs; the capital cost for the hardware and the energy cost to run the hardware. You pay for energy when you use the hardware. You pay capital costs weather you use the hardware or not.

If the hardware is cheap, then it makes sense to use the hardware intermittently, if you have a job to do 24x7 you simply have 4-6 copies of your hardware spread around the world and use solar power when solar production is locally at peak. The hardware is cheap so you don't care that its spending 80% of the time unused; you are essentially storing solar production in the form of completed calculations.

If the hardware is very expensive, then you have to pay lots of $ simply to have the hardware sitting unused on the shelf. You are desperate to use that expensive hardware 24x7. Your costs are dominated by the hardware costs, and while you care about energy you are focused on making best use of your capital investment.

My vague recall is that bitcoin hardware is getting cheap enough that it is worth following cheap energy, but that AI training hardware is devilishly expensive, the investors are pushing to gain market share and be 'ahead of the competition', and everyone want to run their AI hardware 24x7.

-Jonathan
 
Knightryder12 said:
Great, more dumbing down of society.
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You can look at it as if it's "dumbing us down" or you can utilize it to access information that you need fast and efficiently on the job. I agree in a way that is does make us a bit more lazy.but it's an even playing field.we all have access to it

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RdmanElect said:
You can look at it as if it's "dumbing us down" or you can utilize it to access information that you need fast and efficiently on the job. I agree in a way that is does make us a bit more lazy.but it's an even playing field.we all have access to it

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But at this point there is no reason to think that the information is correct. Most AI just looks at the most common answer to the question as found on the net without any regard to that information being correct or not. Mike Holt has asked AI a number of NEC questions and rarely got a correct answer to anything the least bit complicated.
 
don_resqcapt19 said:
But at this point there is no reason to think that the information is correct. Most AI just looks at the most common answer to the question as found on the net without any regard to that information being correct or not. Mike Holt has asked AI a number of NEC questions and rarely got a correct answer to anything the least bit complicated.
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You gotta find the good ways it can be used.. I've used it to create emails, punchlist etc. I understand what you're saying though and I wouldn't take it as the end all be all

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RdmanElect said:
You gotta find the good ways it can be used.. I've used it to create emails, punchlist etc. I understand what you're saying though and I wouldn't take it as the end all be all

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I can see it for things like that, but not for getting correct answers to questions.
 
jaggedben said:
ChatGPT and the like will be particularly bad for understanding things like grounding, where there are already so many confused and incorrect takes out there on the internet.
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Right.. I just asked it to make me a PowerPoint presentation on using the ampacity table and it cited correct NEC references and gave me a solid PowerPoint presentation within seconds .

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RdmanElect said:
Right.. I just asked it to make me a PowerPoint presentation on using the ampacity table and it cited correct NEC references and gave me a solid PowerPoint presentation within seconds .

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Yes, but you know the topic and can verify what it says, making it quite useful to speed you up.

Ask it to create 10 different presentations on 10 different aspects of the NEC. I bet a few will be spot on, a few will be pretty good but with some errors, and a couple will be decidedly wrong. You know enough to pick out the useful ones and correct the wrong ones, so it speeds you up.

Now let some random DIYer ask an AI search engine about proper grounding, and see if you get something safe.

-Jonathan
 
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