Using of Transformer with Wye(floating neutral)-Wye

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In my project we have designed to use 750kVA (13.8/2.4kV) Delta-Wye (solid neutral). However, there is a request to change transformer config. from delta-wye to wye (floating neutral) -Wye (solid neutral). Is there any issue to use Wye-Wye transformer?
 
Welcome to the forum.

You must connect the primary neutral in a wye-wye setup, or the secondary voltages will vary.
 
Welcome to the forum.

You must connect the primary neutral in a wye-wye setup, or the secondary voltages will vary.
I think a wye-wye with a tertiary winding could be used to reduce zero sequence impedance and it could thus be fed from a delta source? Although the OP did not state whether the 13.8 system was Delta or wye......
 
In my project we have designed to use 750kVA (13.8/2.4kV) Delta-Wye (solid neutral). However, there is a request to change transformer config. from delta-wye to wye (floating neutral) -Wye (solid neutral). Is there any issue to use Wye-Wye transformer?
Key question is whether the 13.8 system has a neutral. If it does, then I would say a wye wye would be preferred.
 
I think a wye-wye with a tertiary winding could be used to reduce zero sequence impedance and it could thus be fed from a delta source? Although the OP did not state whether the 13.8 system was Delta or wye......
Hi,

The 13.8kV system is low resistance grounded system.
 
In my project we have designed to use 750kVA (13.8/2.4kV) Delta-Wye (solid neutral). However, there is a request to change transformer config. from delta-wye to wye (floating neutral) -Wye (solid neutral). Is there any issue to use Wye-Wye transformer?
"Wye, Wye, You Always Tie"

The only other potential problem I can think of is sometimes Wye- Delta, or Delta-Wye are used to shift the phases 60 degrees to mitigate harmonics caused by power supplies and VFDs.
 
The 13.8kV system is low resistance grounded system.
Then you would not want the neutral to be solidly grounded at the transformer.

You may want to connect the primary wye point to the 13.8kV neutral but do not connect it to the secondary wye point.
 
Then you would not want the neutral to be solidly grounded at the transformer.

You may want to connect the primary wye point to the 13.8kV neutral but do not connect it to the secondary wye point.
That had crossed my mind, whether the OP meant "HIGH resistance grounded". If It is HRG, he could not use a transformer that was designed for a MGN system as the primary neutral would be the tank.
 
That had crossed my mind, whether the OP meant "HIGH resistance grounded". If It is HRG, he could not use a transformer that was designed for a MGN system as the primary neutral would be the tank.
Medium voltage uses low resistance while 480V uses high resistance.
 
That seems counterintuitive.....so "low resistance grounded" is the proper term for a resistance grounded system at MV? I have never heard that term before (but I don't do much MV).
A common general term would be impedance grounded. But yes, these systems usually try to have about 5A ground current on LV using an HRG and 400A on MV using an LRG.
 
A common general term would be impedance grounded. But yes, these systems usually try to have about 5A ground current on LV using an HRG and 400A on MV using an LRG.
Ok yeah, the terms are a bit confusing. I hear "low resistance grounded" and I think "solidly grounded". I understand there are different schemes for the resistor/ground current value. Ive just got to think "low resistance impedance grounded" instead of assuming someone is trying to say solidly grounded just because they left "impedance" out🙃

It appears that'll high resistance grounding is used at MV but typically a only up to 5KV:

"HRG May be utilized on low voltage systems or medium voltage systems up to
5kV. IEEE Standard 141-1993 states that “high resistance grounding
should be restricted to 5kV class or lower systems with charging currents
of about 5.5A or less and should not be attempted on 15kV systems, unless
proper grounding relaying is employed”.
 
Ok yeah, the terms are a bit confusing. I hear "low resistance grounded" and I think "solidly grounded". I understand there are different schemes for the resistor/ground current value. Ive just got to think "low resistance impedance grounded" instead of assuming someone is trying to say solidly grounded just because they left "impedance" out🙃

It appears that'll high resistance grounding is used at MV but typically a only up to 5KV:

"HRG May be utilized on low voltage systems or medium voltage systems up to
5kV. IEEE Standard 141-1993 states that “high resistance grounding
should be restricted to 5kV class or lower systems with charging currents
of about 5.5A or less and should not be attempted on 15kV systems, unless
proper grounding relaying is employed”.
So is it fair to state that HRG is designed so that the power dissipated in the ground impedance (not necessarily resistive?) can be maintained indefinitely. Thus allowing continued operation of the system after a ground fault, with an alarm condition raised? While the LRG allows sufficient fault current that the grounding impedance will overheat and fail if the alarm condition does not immediately (duration?) shut down the circuit?
 
So is it fair to state that HRG is designed so that the power dissipated in the ground impedance (not necessarily resistive?) can be maintained indefinitely. Thus allowing continued operation of the system after a ground fault, with an alarm condition raised? While the LRG allows sufficient fault current that the grounding impedance will overheat and fail if the alarm condition does not immediately (duration?) shut down the circuit?
Yes, this is the general idea.
 
The way I've described it to some:

HRG with LV is to keep things running if ground fault. Similar to ground detection with ungrounded systems. It's a decision for tripping or not.

LRG with MV is to minimize the fault current on ground faults. Tripping should occur if ground fault is detected.
 
LRG with MV is to minimize the fault current on ground faults. Tripping should occur if ground fault is detected
Do you have an example of conductor connections and components used for a LRG on MV? I'm guessing no connection to the MGN?
 
Do you have an example of conductor connections and components used for a LRG on MV? I'm guessing no connection to the MGN?

Just to be clear, MGN is different than LRG. If you have LRG, you don't have MGN, and vice versa. If you have LRG at source transformer, you typically don't (wouldn't ever?) bring out the neutral (direct from X0) with the phase conductors.

This snip kinda shows it. NGR = neutral grounding resistor


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