Using of Transformer with Wye(floating neutral)-Wye

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Just to be clear, MGN is different than LRG. If you have LRG, you don't have MGN, and vice versa. If you have LRG at source transformer, you typically don't (wouldn't ever?) bring out the neutral (direct from X0) with the phase conductors.

This snip kinda shows it. NGR = neutral grounding resistor


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So back to the OP's situation, what are the typical options for connecting to the primary of a transformer off at LRG system? I did ask if there was a neutral available and did not get an answer. Would a Delta Wye transformer be preferable in this situation?
 
So back to the OP's situation, what are the typical options for connecting to the primary of a transformer off at LRG system? I did ask if there was a neutral available and did not get an answer. Would a Delta Wye transformer be preferable in this situation?
Yes, Delta-Wye is still typical

I think the answer is really that it's LRG, so you wouldn't have the neutral available on the MV side.

With LRG, you can't have any single phase (phase to neutral) loads or connections.
 
Why is that? Such loads won't cause any current through the earthing resistance.

Cheers, Wayne
This gets into why I had some parenthesis and question marks in some of my posts. My practical answer is that I've never seen the neutral brought out from the source transformer outside of the connection to the NGR. So the neutral isn't even available for phase to neutral connections.

The theoretical side is possible a different question. I could you being able to actually bring the neutral out still, but there are likely problems with doing that which aren't evident to me right now.
 
This gets into why I had some parenthesis and question marks in some of my posts. My practical answer is that I've never seen the neutral brought out from the source transformer outside of the connection to the NGR. So the neutral isn't even available for phase to neutral connections.

The theoretical side is possible a different question. I could you being able to actually bring the neutral out still, but there are likely problems with doing that which aren't evident to me right now.

With a neutral conductor brought out, a N-G fault would be shorting across the NGR and defeating it's purpose of limiting any L-G fault current.
 
With a neutral conductor brought out, a N-G fault would be shorting across the NGR and defeating it's purpose of limiting any L-G fault current.

Ah yes, that's it! And you wouldn't even know about the N-G fault until it was too late after a L-G fault.
 
With a neutral conductor brought out, a N-G fault would be shorting across the NGR and defeating it's purpose of limiting any L-G fault current.
So for MV, is the point of limiting the L-G fault current that (a) they are somehow worse than L-L faults (b) they are more likely than L-L faults or (c) you can't easily limit L-L fault current, but you can limit L-G fault current, or maybe all of the above and more?

Would it be so hard to make an MV N-G fault detector?

Thanks,
Wayne
 
So for MV, is the point of limiting the L-G fault current that (a) they are somehow worse than L-L faults (b) they are more likely than L-L faults or (c) you can't easily limit L-L fault current, but you can limit L-G fault current, or maybe all of the above and more?

Would it be so hard to make an MV N-G fault detector?

Thanks,
Wayne
L-G faults are much more common that L-L faults. It makes sense to clear them before they escalate.
 
L-G faults are much more common that L-L faults. It makes sense to clear them before they escalate.
To add numbers: you'll see varying statistics, but if you poke around you'll see it's usually stated that single line to ground faults are in the neighborhood of 70% of faults
 
To add numbers: you'll see varying statistics, but if you poke around you'll see it's usually stated that single line to ground faults are in the neighborhood of 70% of faults
That only makes sense, there are a lot more ways for a conductor to make contact with something grounded. Even working low voltage industrial, most times I have a fault it's phase to ground, I almost never see phase to phase faults.
 
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