VDV Installer vs. Licensed Electrician

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jtinge

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In an industrial or commercial setting, what distinguishes what work can be done by a VDV Installer and what has to be done by a licensed electrician? Is there a voltage or power threshold that drives you to an electrician? What certifications or licenses are available or should be required for VDV Installers?
 

raider1

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licensure is regulated by each state or local area so the answer depends on the are where you work. Check with your local building department they should be able to help answer your question.

Chris
 

celtic

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jtinge said:
In an industrial or commercial setting, what distinguishes what work can be done by a VDV Installer and what has to be done by a licensed electrician?

I'd have to know what a "VDV Installer" is first.
Can't recall ever hearing that term before?
 

480sparky

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Voice-Data-Video:
Voice, data and video covers a lot of territory: telephones, LANs (local area networks), SANs (storage area networks), CATV and CCTV, Internet, security and even fiber optic networks in vehicles (MOST).
 

celtic

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480sparky said:
Voice-Data-Video:
Voice, data and video covers a lot of territory: telephones, LANs (local area networks), SANs (storage area networks), CATV and CCTV, Internet, security and even fiber optic networks in vehicles (MOST).
Thank you.


To answer the OP's questions ~ for NJ ...because I do not know where the OP is located:

jtinge said:
In an industrial or commercial setting, what distinguishes what work can be done by a VDV Installer and what has to be done by a licensed electrician?
There is no distincition between resi., comm., or industrial installations....


jtinge said:
Is there a voltage or power threshold that drives you to an electrician?
...the distinction is based on the voltage, which is dictated by the Board of Examiners of Electrical Contractors.
The threshold for a VDV Installer would be less than 10V



jtinge said:
What certifications or licenses are available or should be required for VDV Installers?
They would need an "exempt" license.

http://www.nj.gov/lps/ca/laws/ElectricLaw.pdf
 
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mkoloj

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Question for Celtic.............

Question for Celtic.............

celtic said:
The threshold for a VDV Installer would be less than 10V

Please elaborate................it can't be that simple, this is Jersey man!
How about fiber? No need for permits or the "exemption" when installing a medium that transmits light that can't have voltage measured?

The limitations listed in the Exemption Application are:
4. A certification that the applicant shall not perform the following work unless or until an electrical contractor?s
business permit is obtained from the Board:
i. Wiring defined by the National Electrical Code as service conductors (the supply conductors that extend from
the main or transformers to the service equipment of the premises supplied, feeder (all conductors between
service equipment or the source of a separately derived system and the final branch-circuit overcurrent device),
and branch circuit (the connection between the final overcurrent device protecting the circuit and the outlet/
appliance). Wiring between power supplies integral with telecommunication equipment and the telecommunication
equipment is not intended to be prohibited;
ii. Telecommunications wiring from telecommunications equipment to power operated controlled equipment; or
iii. Installation of work in hazardous/classified areas as defined by Article 500 of the National Electrical Code.
Classified areas are those in which hazardous liquids, vapors, gases, dusts and fiber are normally present (Division
1 locations) or may be present due to maintenance or equipment malfunction (Division 2 locations); and
5. A certification that the business shall not subcontract telecommunications wiring work to a person or business entity
not having a business permit or a telecommunications wiring exemption issued by the Board.
Does everyone have to get the exemption or is there some kind of grandfather clause for the predecessors of this requirement like for alarms?

Anyone in NJ have this or is it similair to a situation involving electricians in CA I have heard of?
 
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celtic

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mkoloj said:
Please elaborate................it can't be that simple, this is Jersey man!
How about fiber? No need for permits or the "exemption" when installing a medium that transmits light that can't have voltage measured?

Does everyone have to get the exemption or is there some kind of grandfather clause for the predecessors of this requirement like for alarms?

Anyone in NJ have this or is it similair to a situation involving electricians in CA I have heard of?
Believe it or don't :)

In NJ, tel/data guys (VDV to the rest of world apparently) need only the exempt status to run amuck...

45:5A-18 Exempt work or construction.
Electrical work or construction which is performed on the following facilities or which is by or
for the following agencies shall not be included within the business of electrical contracting so as to require the
securing of a business permit under this act:

(j) Any work with a potential of less than 10 volts.

(r) Any work performed by an alarm business, as that term is defined by section 2 of P.L.1985,
c.289 (C.45:5A-18.1), licensed pursuant to P.L.1997, c.305 (C.45:5A-23 et seq.) that is not branch circuit
wiring. For the purposes of this subsection, "branch circuit wiring" means the circuit conductors between the
final overcurrent device protecting the circuit and one or more outlets. A licensee shall be deemed to have
engaged in professional misconduct for the purposes of section 8 of P.L.1978, c.73 (C.45:1-21) for violating the
provisions of this subsection.

45:5A-29 Exemptions from licensing requirement.
a. Telephone utilities and cable television companies regulated by the Board of Regulatory
Commissioners pursuant to Title 48 of the Revised Statutes and persons in their employ while performing the
duties of their employment are exempt from the requirement of obtaining a license to engage in the alarm
business pursuant to this act.
http://www.nj.gov/lps/ca/laws/ElectricLaw.pdf



Application for Telecommunications Wiring Exemption

7. The applicant certifies to the following: N.J.A.C. 13:31-1.17 (c)
3. A certification that the applicant is familiar with and will comply with the applicable National Electrical Code
provision requirements, including, but not limited to Article 800 (communication circuits) and the regulations of the
New Jersey Department of Community Affairs and that the applicant will be responsible for obtaining any required
local permits and inspections for all work;
4. A certification that the applicant shall not perform the following work unless or until an electrical contractor’s
business permit is obtained from the Board:
i. Wiring defined by the National Electrical Code as service conductors (the supply conductors that extend from
the main or transformers to the service equipment of the premises supplied, feeder (all conductors between
service equipment or the source of a separately derived system and the final branch-circuit overcurrent device),
and branch circuit (the connection between the final overcurrent device protecting the circuit and the outlet/
appliance). Wiring between power supplies integral with telecommunication equipment and the telecommunication
equipment is not intended to be prohibited;
ii. Telecommunications wiring from telecommunications equipment to power operated controlled equipment; or
iii. Installation of work in hazardous/classified areas as defined by Article 500 of the National Electrical Code.
Classified areas are those in which hazardous liquids, vapors, gases, dusts and fiber are normally present (Division
1 locations) or may be present due to maintenance or equipment malfunction (Division 2 locations); and
5. A certification that the business shall not subcontract telecommunications wiring work to a person or business entity
not having a business permit or a telecommunications wiring exemption issued by the Board.​
http://www.nj.gov/lps/ca/electric/telewire.pdf


EDIT TO ADD:

45:5A-29 Exemptions from licensing requirement.
a. Telephone utilities and cable television companies regulated by the Board of Regulatory
Commissioners pursuant to Title 48 of the Revised Statutes and persons in their employ while performing the
duties of their employment are exempt from the requirement of obtaining a license to engage in the alarm
business pursuant to this act.
http://www.nj.gov/lps/ca/laws/ElectricLaw.pdf
 
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mkoloj

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So in a nutshell anyone working on anything with a potential of more than 10 volts in NJ is to have an electrical license, but if you have the exemption and abide by the rules in the exemption you can perform work that falls under but is not limited to NEC article 800.?.?​
 
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mkoloj

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Pulling permits and getting inspections falls under:

me said:
if you have the exemption and abide by the rules in the exemption

3. A certification that the applicant is familiar with and will comply with the applicable National Electrical Code
provision requirements, including, but not limited to Article 800 (communication circuits) and the regulations of the
New Jersey Department of Community Affairs and that the applicant will be responsible for obtaining any required
local permits and inspections for all work;

There are some towns that are gung-ho about permits and inspections and others that will look at you like a lost dog when you ask about it.
 

celtic

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Location
NJ
mkoloj said:
So in a nutshell anyone working on anything with a potential of more than 10 volts in NJ is to have an electrical license, but if you have the exemption and abide by the rules in the exemption you can perform work that falls under but is not limited to NEC article 800.?.?​

Right..over 10v ~ must be licenesed EC ....irrigation @ 30v is another exception....also something about alarm guys ~ but they cannot run branch circuits.

I'm not sure what you mean by "...you can perform work that falls under but is not limited to NEC article 800..."


hbiss said:
Ahhh, ok that allows you to do the work. Now how about having to pull a permit and having inspections? They shouldn't get off scott free here!

-Hal

In my neck of the traffic jam they don't get off scott-free. Permits, inspections (which they usually fail 1st time), etc.
 
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mkoloj

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And I thought I was clueless.
If you don't know what a shoobie is then your deinitely a benny to the people south of the driscoll bridge.

People from other parts of the country must think jersey is another planet right about now if they didn't already.
 

celtic

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Location
NJ
Benny...

Stereotypical Behavior
  • Asking for directions back to the Parkway
  • Asking for directions to the beach
  • Wearing sneakers or socks with sandals on the beach
  • Quickly acquiring a full-body sunburn
  • Crowding the stores and restaurants and generally making life difficult for year-round residents.
  • Asking for change for a dollar in quarters and dimes for use on the parkway tolls.
  • Having a "farmer's tan" or "t-shirt tan"
  • Getting in the way of surfers or body boarders in the ocean.
  • Getting into arguments and sometimes even fights with locals
  • Talking with a distinct New York or North(east) Jersey accent
  • Calling the beach "the shore"
  • Although looked down upon, they typically tip better than the locals.
  • Are known to say, "I own this town."
  • Arriving on Memorial Day and leaving on Labor Day.
  • Asking where to find the beer in convenience stores (By law, beer is not sold in convenience stores in NJ, only in liquor stores).
There are a number of anti-Benny phrases around the shore, with the most popular one being "Benny Go Home!"


LMAO.



....and yet, w/o the revenue (from food, liquor and police tickets) from "Benny" ...many of these towns would be vacant.
 

celtic

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Location
NJ
mkoloj said:
And I thought I was clueless.
If you don't know what a shoobie is then your deinitely a benny to the people south of the driscoll bridge.

You are clueless LOL (j/k :D )

Yea..I'm a Benny....anything south of the Driscoll is "down the shore"


mkoloj said:
People from other parts of the country must think jersey is another planet right about now if they didn't already.

It's not US...it's THEM. :D
 
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mkoloj

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celtic said:
Benny...




LMAO.



....and yet, w/o the revenue (from food, liquor and police tickets) from "Benny" ...many of these towns would be vacant.

You haven't been to Asbury Park lately have you?
 
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