Vehicle Charging Stations " FREE " ?

[Rampage_Rick]

Most ev charger may be at the range Rick stated but there are some out there at 11.5kw. http://www.clippercreek.com/store/product/hcs-60-48a-240v-charging-25-rubber-over-molded-cord/ and cost less than $1000.

That unit may be capable of 11.5 kW but only a Tesla would utilize the entire capacity. Plug it into a Chevy Volt and you'll only get 3.3 kW.

The EVSE tells the car how much current is permitted (48A in this case) and it's up to the charger built into the car to abide by this restriction. The OBC in a Gen 1 Volt is limited to 15A / 3300W. The Gen 2s coming out in 2016 are 3600W. A newer Nissan Leaf with the upgraded OBC is 6600W

 

[donaldelectrician]

What's the difference between 50 cents worth of electricity and a 50 cent coupon for goods at the store?

When people use coupons and you don't, are you paying for their purchases?

The Difference is a 50 cent coupon is paid for by the food manufacturer ... not the Super Market .

The 50 cent for charging vehicles will be paid for by all shoppers that shop at the Market ...and more directly ... ME !




Don

 

[ActionDave]

The Difference is a 50 cent coupon is paid for by the food manufacturer ... not the Super Market .

The 50 cent for charging vehicles will be paid for by all shoppers that shop at the Market ...and more directly ... ME !




Don

You're shopping at Whole Foods. You're already paying more than you should for your grocery bill.

 

[K8MHZ]

The Difference is a 50 cent coupon is paid for by the food manufacturer ... not the Super Market .

The 50 cent for charging vehicles will be paid for by all shoppers that shop at the Market ...and more directly ... ME !




Don

And the food manufacturer gets their money from where?

 

[ggunn]

The Difference is a 50 cent coupon is paid for by the food manufacturer ... not the Super Market .

The 50 cent for charging vehicles will be paid for by all shoppers that shop at the Market ...and more directly ... ME !

Don

So, dividing up the cost among all the shoppers in the store at the time, it costs you... what? $0.01? $0.005?

<Rastafarian accent> So what? Big deal.

(Closing line of Buckaroo Banzai)

 

[SMHarman]

And all those staff charging their cell phones in the break room.

I beleive the EV chargers contribute to the buildings LEED rating.

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[donaldelectrician]

You're shopping at Whole Foods. You're already paying more than you should for your grocery bill.

Well that a'int going to change .



I'll bet that these , " Free Charging Stations " are going to Boom Everywhere !

I think a Natural Fit for these chargers are the , Hotel / Motel biz .



Don

 

[Tony S]

Anyone would think this is new technology.

 

[mbrooke]

Are those mercury arc rectifiers on top of those chargers?

 

[Tony S]

Two arm single phase by the looks of them

 

[kingpb]

What I find quite interesting is how so many can rationalize their thinking so that the power at the charging station is free.

Nothing in life is free. there is a cost for everything. Start asking were does the power come from? What is the carbon footprint for the manufacturing of the batteries, the usage of raw materials, building of more power stations to supply the chargers. Upgraded distribution lines to handle the combined additional load to get power to these charging stations.

Sure, a single charger is a nat on the radar, but add up 100, now a 1000; start multiplying numbers of locations, or all the additional houses. Resources come from somewhere. Do you really think that the utilities don't increase their rates to cover system upgrades? Of course they do.

Tesla as a company is a loser. They have made money in only one quarter of the companies existence, and they don't even project (no guarantee) to make a profit until 2020. They have no cash flow, with more and more people selling short, betting on their decline. Got to hand it to him though, Musk is a damn good flim flam man.

 

[SMHarman]

That Gasoline powered car only took off once a gasoline distribution network was built. Same will happen with the EV.

Start adding solar backfeed into the grid and dual meters to charge overnight on off peak rates and the infrastructure is less in need of upgrade. Add a Tessa home battery to charge the car from the home solar and you put much less strain on the grid.

Surely everyone here should be happy with grid upgrades and tesla charging stations. More work.
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[kingpb]

That Gasoline powered car only took off once a gasoline distribution network was built. Same will happen with the EV.

Start adding solar backfeed into the grid and dual meters to charge overnight on off peak rates and the infrastructure is less in need of upgrade. Add a Tessa home battery to charge the car from the home solar and you put much less strain on the grid.

Surely everyone here should be happy with grid upgrades and tesla charging stations. More work.
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Without government subsidy's there is no payback for solar (large or small scale), and if you look at the cost for the Tesla battery, you will also see that there is no payback. Based on energy costs, the battery will wear out long before it is paid for. Its nothing but a feel good project.

 

[SMHarman]

Without tax breaks for drilling and exploration and with insufficient spent on post mine cleanups the payback of big oil also is marginal.

Development is reducing the cost of solar exponentially. Peak oil is increasing the cost and risk of oil exploration exponentially.

What's your point?

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[kingpb]

Without tax breaks for drilling and exploration and with insufficient spent on post mine cleanups the payback of big oil also is marginal.

Development is reducing the cost of solar exponentially. Peak oil is increasing the cost and risk of oil exploration exponentially.

What's your point?

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I did not realize we were talking about big oil companies. :jawdrop: I thought this was a discussion about "Free" electric vehicle charging stations. I do not work in the oil and gas industry, so my data is limited. Perhaps you could share some of your charts and graphs which back-up your statements in that regard.

I am involved in all types of power generation and energy storage and can say for a fact that the cost of solar itself has decreased, but due to it's volatility as it relates to a fluctuating generation profile makes it difficult at best to factor into a utilities generation capability, as it cannot be counted on to supply peak loads thus spinning reserve is still needed. It also creates a problem for VAR support, thus utilities are having to operate synchronous condensers to support the grid.

Energy storage is an alternative that helps with the fluctuations and system support, but it is very costly to implement. The overall user energy costs are jumbled up in rate payer increases, so to put an actual number on feel good solar is difficult because it really isn't a system that can stand on its own and be that useful.

 

[ActionDave]

Without tax breaks for drilling and exploration and with insufficient spent on post mine cleanups the payback of big oil also is marginal.

Development is reducing the cost of solar exponentially. Peak oil is increasing the cost and risk of oil exploration exponentially.

What's your point?

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How old are you? Is this your first time living through an energy crisis?

I already lived through the one in the '70's. All the oil was gonna be gone before I got out of high school.

 

[SMHarman]

How old are you? Is this your first time living through an energy crisis?

I already lived through the one in the '70's. All the oil was gonna be gone before I got out of high school.

We are not living through an energy crisis at the moment. Gas is $2.20 a gallon. That's not crisis pricing.

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[ggunn]

Without government subsidy's there is no payback for solar (large or small scale).

That is not even close to universally true and it is getting closer to universally untrue all the time. The subsidies are doing just what they were designed to do, and that is to give the renewable energy industry a boost until it gathers enough momentum so that it can fly on its own. Solar will survive the removal of subsidies.

 

[steve66]

We are not living through an energy crisis at the moment. Gas is $2.20 a gallon. That's not crisis pricing.

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Maybe, but 2 weeks ago I watched gas prices go up $1.00 in a single day because one refinery shut down for scheduled maintenance. Somebody is making a killing off gas at the expense of all the consumers.

 

[ggunn]

Maybe, but 2 weeks ago I watched gas prices go up $1.00 in a single day because one refinery shut down for scheduled maintenance. Somebody is making a killing off gas at the expense of all the consumers.

Well, it's a commodity that people will buy no matter what the price, so...