Vending Machine ( GFI Protected ? )

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Davebones said:
Just found out we are getting some new food line serving equipment . We are putting in GFI's for all 120 v , 15 and 20 amp outlets . My next question is some of the new equipment has " 30 amp , 120 Volt " cord ends . These are salad bar , hot serve , prep sections . Are these 30 amp 120 volt outlets required to be GFI protected ??
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No, unless manufactures instructions say otherwise.
210.8
(B) Other Than Dwelling Units. All 125-volt, single phase,
15- and 20-ampere receptacles installed in the locations
specified in 210.8(B)(1) through (8) shall have
ground-fault circuit-interrupter protection for personnel.
 
Well, somewhere someone is paying for what is in the free machine, or taken out from the grocery store machine.
Interesting how the definitions can box you in.
Remember the requirement that you could not have a ceiling fan in a bathroom, oops no more exhaust fans. Now its paddle fans...
 
I think the definition is crystal clear. It says in no uncertain terms that the fridge described in Post 1 is not a vending machine. Period!
Definition:Vending Machine. Any self-service device that dispensesproducts or merchandise without the necessity of replenishing the device between each vending operation and is designed to require insertion of coin, paper currency, token,card, key, or receipt of payment by other means.
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If the machine itself is not designed such that it will dispense only after receiving payment (in whatever form), then you are not looking at a vending machine.

 
charlie b said:
I think the definition is crystal clear. It says in no uncertain terms that the fridge described in Post 1 is not a vending machine. Period! If the machine itself is not designed such that it will dispense only after receiving payment (in whatever form), then you are not looking at a vending machine.
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And, in the same vein, if the coin accepter has been bypassed to make it a free dispenser, it is still a vending machine.
 
jumper said:
Definition:

Vending Machine.
Any self-service device that dispenses
products or merchandise without the necessity of replenish-
ing the device between each vending operation and is de-
signed to require insertion of coin, paper currency, token,
card, key, or receipt of payment by other means.
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charlie b said:
If the machine itself is not designed such that it will dispense only after receiving payment (in whatever form), then you are not looking at a vending machine.
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Where does it say that the product will only be dispensed after payment is made? They could have said it but they didn't.

"receipt of payment by other means" ?

What if my vending machine requires you to drop a coin in a coffee can on top of the frig ? That's how I designed it, maybe not a good design but cheap. It's self service, doesn't require replinishing the device between vending operations and will accept payment by other means. I require payment for any product taken from my frig and I catch the cheap blankety blank that not paying.
 
You have arranged other means (your can) but the machine is not designed to *require* it. Hence your need to track down the SOB since you were not using a vending machine.
 
growler said:
Where does it say that the product will only be dispensed after payment is made? They could have said it but they didn't.

"receipt of payment by other means" ?

What if my vending machine requires you to drop a coin in a coffee can on top of the frig ? That's how I designed it, maybe not a good design but cheap. It's self service, doesn't require replinishing the device between vending operations and will accept payment by other means. I require payment for any product taken from my frig and I catch the cheap blankety blank that not paying.
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Seriously stop. :D

I am impressed how well you guys can pick the pepper out of fly poop.

It's not that difficult, we know what a vending machine is and it is not a plain jane refrigerator.
 
iwire said:
Seriously stop. :D

I am impressed how well you guys can pick the pepper out of fly poop.

It's not that difficult, we know what a vending machine is and it is not a plain jane refrigerator.
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Remember, if the Code language can withstand that sort of attack it is seriously over written.
 
OK, I brought this up before but apprently we dont want to let facts interfere with this thread. :D

From the UL white book.

VENDING MACHINES, REFRIGERATED
(SQMX)
GENERAL
This category covers refrigerated vending machines designed for connection
to alternating-current circuits rated not more than 600 V, and which
incorporate refrigeration systems of the air cooled or water-cooled type
employing hermetic refrigerant motor-compressors.
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And then there is

COMMERCIAL REFRIGERATORS AND
FREEZERS (SGKW)
GENERAL
This category covers commercial refrigerators and freezers such as display
cases, reach-in cabinets, meat cases, frozen food and merchandising
cabinets, food service carts and soda fountain units. These products may
be self-contained, sectional or remote. Accessories intended for use with
commercial refrigerators and freezers are also covered under this category.
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So again I say, stop with all the nonsense about tin cups on top of refrigerators and look at the darn UL listing tag. :cool:
 
And this one

VENDING MACHINES FOR FOOD AND
BEVERAGES (TSYA)
USE
This category covers food and beverage vending machines that dispense
unit servings of food or beverages, in bulk or in packages, upon insertion of
a coin, paper currency, token, card, key or by manual operation. These
machines are intended for commercial use.
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And this one

VENDING MACHINES (YWXV)
GENERAL
This category covers commercial vending machines, which include coinoperated
machines for vending nonrefrigerated food and beverages, general
merchandise, etc.
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GoldDigger said:
Sure.
If the code language is immune to attempts of this sort at nit-picking and pilpuling, then somebody who did not have a life spend far too much time perfecting it.
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OK, that was kind of what I thought you where saying.

'If they wrote it well enough, they did there job too well'

Sorry but I cant find the logic in that. :)
 
iwire said:
we know what a vending machine is and it is not a plain jane refrigerator.
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Sure, out here in the real world we know what a vending machine is.

Let someone get shocked by that refrigerator and in court of law they only have to convince 12 people that are to dumb to get out of jury duty what a vending machine is.
 
growler said:
Where does it say that the product will only be dispensed after payment is made? They could have said it but they didn't.

"receipt of payment by other means" ?

What if my vending machine requires you to drop a coin in a coffee can on top of the frig ? That's how I designed it, maybe not a good design but cheap. It's self service, doesn't require replinishing the device between vending operations and will accept payment by other means. I require payment for any product taken from my frig and I catch the cheap blankety blank that not paying.
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But it is you that is monitoring payment and dispensing not an integral component of the machine. Beverage coolers near checkout lanes in a store also don't monitor payment. There likely is products leaving those that doesn't get paid for. If they were coin/currency operated non paid products is primarily limited to malfunction or intentional setup.

Receipt of payment by other means - could be simply entering a username and password and electronically tracking who the purchase was made by and means of actual collection is passed on to other systems. If the beverage coolers mentioned above sent purchase information to the cash register - it very well may qualify it as a vending machine.

growler said:
Sure, out here in the real world we know what a vending machine is.

Let someone get shocked by that refrigerator and in court of law they only have to convince 12 people that are to dumb to get out of jury duty what a vending machine is.
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You ever purchase anything on your computer? Your telephone? You have GFCI protection on the power source of those?
 
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