Single phase 120/240 power on building. Co workers want to use a VFD to serve two 3 phase motor loads that are separately controlled. Is that possible with a vfd ?
Thank you for any inpuT!
...you're...We only have single phase at our shop and set up drives there before installing them. We have a small three phase motor for temporary load and a small transformer to get 480 for those drives.
I think the problem will be the second motor jumping in and out. Both together and your good to go.
I agree 100%, especially in the issue of never tuning on a contactor feeding another motor if a drive is already running. You will damage the transistors.There are 2 questions here.
1) Can a VFD be used to power a 3 phase motor from a single phase supply? The answer is in general yes, as long as things are sized appropriately.
2) Can a VFD be used to power multiple _separately controlled_ motors? This answer is in general _no_. In particular you probably don't want to have any sort of contactors sitting between the VFD and the motors, and you don't want to have the VFD running at fixed frequency and then start the motors 'across the line' on the VFD output. A VFD type device could be designed to function in this fashion, but a standard VFD won't be happy.
You will be much better off with two small VFDs, one for each motor, acting to convert single phase to three phase and then control the motors.
-Jon
If I may ask what you are powering with these motors?Thank you everyone for the input, based on the comments we decided to get two vfd's one for each motor. sizing is being done by my supervisor and the vfd manufacturer.
If I may ask what you are powering with these motors?
If they are general purpose motors and don't need speed regulation or soft starting the least expensive route would just be to replace the three phase motors with single phase motors in most instances.
It's what I would do.In general it is possible, especially for smaller Motors. Like many things there are certain limitations but it's not an uncommon thing to do. It might be almost is cost effective to get two small vfd rather than trying to run contactors off the output of 1 vfd.
20 HP single phase motors are not so easy to come by and phase converter or VFD would be the more common application here. Keep in mind for most off the shelf VFD's this means you need at least a 40 HP drive to run it with single phase input.20 hp hydraulic pump , 6.6 hp cut off saw. which i have been told are both 230v 3 phase ( i did not personally look at nameplate otherwise i would have service factor , hertz , code letter and everything on the nameplate basically ). The situation is the phase converter is too loud, and the company wants a quieter means of generating 3 phase for said equipment. This is merely bid work at this time once they see the price we are sure they will elect to move the phase converter outside. Any input is highly appreciated!@#$![]()
Well then here's a new wrinkle. 27HP is a large draw on a single phase 240V service. I'm guessing these motors alone will draw close to 100A, so if you have a 100A meter, common for 120/240V services, you will not be able to feed it. If you have a 200A meter and there isn't much else going on it could work, but make sure you run this by the utility first.
That and the code required increase in wire size etc for a 40 hp drive regardless of the service entrance size.
Have you considered surrounding the existing phase converter with an acoustic-damping enclosure?... The phase converter is too loud and the company wants a quieter means of generating 3 phase ...
Well then here's a new wrinkle. 27HP is a large draw on a single phase 240V service. I'm guessing these motors alone will draw close to 100A, so if you have a 100A meter, common for 120/240V services, you will not be able to feed it. If you have a 200A meter and there isn't much else going on it could work, but make sure you run this by the utility first.