Voltage drop cable increase then so is breaker

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You do not necessarily *need* to increase the OCPD, due to voltage drop governing a change in size of the conductor. If anything, there may be reasons specific to the load that limit you to a maximum OCPD, which would prevent you from doing this. Or at least, insert a second OCPD close to the load in order to comply with the needs of the load. Some loads specify a maximum OCPD rating. You should check with the manufacturer or the documentation of a particular load, to see if you are allowed to increase the OCPD trip rating to far higher than the NEC's default size.

That being said, there are reasons you might want to increase the OCPD, such as having more capacity in the equipment to terminate your wires. I can't directly terminate a 500 kcmil wire in a standard 150A breaker. Not without a splice reducer to locally step it down to a size such as #1/0. And there is a good chance I would also need a junction box, to get more physical space to maneuver this giant wire and accomplish the splice/reduction. However, I can terminate 500 kcmil wire directly in a 400A frame size breaker, that has an adjustable trip setting or replaceable trip plug, to make its trip rating 150A. Or a 400A fused disconnect, with fuse reducers that enable me to insert 150A fuses.

Another abstract reason why one might want to increase the OCPD rating when curtailing voltage drop, is that it gets you around upsizing the EGC as required in 250.122(B). In your example, if I use a 150A trip rating, and I'm upsizing phase conductors from #1/0Cu to 500 kcmil Cu, then that is an upsize ratio of 4.716. The default #6 Cu ground wire, ends up getting upsized from 26.3 kcmil to 124 kcmil, which rounds up to #2/0 Cu. However, if I were permitted to use a 400A OCPD, then 500 kcmil Cu would qualify as "the minimum size with sufficient ampacity for the intended installation", and therefore require no upsizing at all of the #3Cu EGC.
Is there and echo in here? 😉
 
Long story short, I'm not even sure how this came up or why a plan reviewer would care. To reiterate what Jim said Post number five, why are you redesigning plans?? It's really none of your business as long as it's code compliant.
 

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Also note that if it was mentioned in the OP then we wouldn't be a bunch of dogs chasing their tails. Note to OP try to provide as much information as possible. ;)

I had no idea that branch circuits are limited to load but if u can provide that info that would be great that would be great.

If i did it intentionally then its another story but unintentional is something i dont know how to resolve

Sorry for inconvenient but thanks for helping
 

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Long story short, I'm not even sure how this came up or why a plan reviewer would care. To reiterate what Jim said Post number five, why are you redesigning plans?? It's really none of your business as long as it's code compliant.

Post#12 reason and if that happens in case of emergency panelboards in hospital or high rise can create problems when switched to emergency power from normal. But as stated by Jim post #13 not within scope of NEC so then its design issue wont be doing it
 
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The 500kcmil feeds panelboard with demand load of 133A.

Do u mean what the panelboard feeds? The panelboard itself feeds one other panel board, three booster pumps, supply fan in garage, sewage ejector pump, garage door, loading door, garage sump pump
What is the rating of the panelboard? 408.36 may be an issue with a 400 amp feeder breaker.
 

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Sometimes if you have much larger conductors for VD, it can be prudent to go up to that frame or equipment size for ease of terminations. I actually just did that where I needed a 250A feeder, but needed 2 sets of 205 amp conductors (250 AL) For VD. A 400A frame device had the lugs I needed while the 250 did not, and the cost increase was minimal. Also this get you around 250.122(B). OP didn't say the engineer said anything about this, bit it is possible we don't have the entire story.
to some degree. You still need a larger EGC on 400 amp circuit than on a 200 amp circuit.

I didn't run any figures but a proportional increase possibly results in fairly similar increase on EGC with the 200A to 400A situation?
 
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