Wall spacing nec 210.52 (a.1)

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SEO said:
What would you do if you inspected the job without a TV installed approved the job then happen to get called back for another inspection and a TV is installed?
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Nothing. I can access the receptacle behind my TV more easily than I can get to the one behind my king sized bed. Would an installation fail for a receptacle behind a bed?
 
infinity said:
Nothing. I can access the receptacle behind my TV more easily than I can get to the one behind my king sized bed. Would an installation fail for a receptacle behind a bed?
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I should have clarified. A TV secured to the wall with the receptacle not accessible. Still OK? If not then what would you do?
 
LarryFine said:
My concern wouldn't be that the receptacle is behind something, or has a specific intended use.

My concern would be that the receptacle would be behind something that is bolted in place (hopefully!)
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I agree as well - and for the sake of aurguement it did count for 210.52 - that would leave up to 24' of wall to an outlet you don't have to look for blindly with your fingers on the blades of plug jammed behind a TV with your partial face print on screen. Just a bad idea.
 
SEO said:
I should have clarified. A TV secured to the wall with the receptacle not accessible. Still OK? If not then what would you do?
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What do we do with DW ...many times the recept. is behind them and they are sort of permanent
 
SEO said:
I should have clarified. A TV secured to the wall with the receptacle not accessible. Still OK? If not then what would you do?
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celtic said:
What do we do with DW ...many times the recept. is behind them and they are sort of permanent
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e57 said:
Locally it would not fly - and additionally it too would not count for 210.52 - nor would the one for a Jaccuzi tub buried behind the skirt in a bath room.
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In the context of the conversation ~ accessible ~ I submit that it is in fact "accessible".
 
inspectornick said:
I came across a situation in residential wiring that I would appreciate your help in interpreting the code.

When raising a wall outlet to a height of 44" for a flat screen TV and the outlet is behind the TV with no other outlet below, as per NEC 210.52 (A.1) which states receptacles shall be installed so no point measured horizontally along the floor is not more than 6ft from a receptacle outlet. Is this permitted under NEC 210. 52 (Dwelling Unit Receptacle Outlets)?

Thanks for helping out. Nick
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Nick,

I do not see this as a problem. If the receptacle is compliant with the allowance in 210.52 and is not in excess of 5' 1/2" then I say it meets the compliance. if they add an additional receptacle for the TV then so be it. However, more than 99% of the time during my inspection or my guys inspections we dont have anything in place so it meets the spacing requirements then it would pass. I don't inspect for what someone may do in the future, we inspect for the condition at the time of the inspection.
 
To approach it from another angle, if I were laying out a room, and was asked to place a receptacle up high for a wall-mounted TV, I would install another one at whatever-height-matches-the-rest-of-the-room from the floor, even if it was directly beneath the TV receptacle.

Additionally, if 'directed' by the customer to omit the lower one (for asthetics, I guess) and he insisted, based on the upper one meeting NEC spacing requirements, I'd comply, but only with the agreement that he'd pay for me to install one later if the inspector required it.

My alternate suggestion would be to adjust the layout to accomodate placing one receptacle within six feet of each side of the TV, if the desire is to have blank wall below the TV. However, people often place low furniture below the TV for A/V gear anyway.
 
LarryFine said:
To approach it from another angle, if I were laying out a room, and was asked to place a receptacle up high for a wall-mounted TV, I would install another one at whatever-height-matches-the-rest-of-the-room from the floor, even if it was directly beneath the TV receptacle.

Additionally, if 'directed' by the customer to omit the lower one (for asthetics, I guess) and he insisted, based on the upper one meeting NEC spacing requirements, I'd comply, but only with the agreement that he'd pay for me to install one later if the inspector required it.

My alternate suggestion would be to adjust the layout to accomodate placing one receptacle within six feet of each side of the TV, if the desire is to have blank wall below the TV. However, people often place low furniture below the TV for A/V gear anyway.
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Well...it is a good thing you are in Richmond...lol.....if it is compliant with 210.52 we have no problem..;)..Oh and if you did...Just give me a call and I will take care of it....lololololol
 
celtic said:
Give a separate line with a quad or two for the TV and other components....avoiding the whole spacing issue and making an upsell.
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Since you brought it up, and not a criticism, most decent (i.e., fairly expensive) systems employ surge protection, usually in the form of outlet strips, so quad receptacles become less important.

In fact, I like the TV itself to be fed by the same strip as the system, and usually recommend the TV receptacle be powered by an in-wall extension with an inlet next to the equipment receptacle.
 
radiopet said:
Nick,

I do not see this as a problem. If the receptacle is compliant with the allowance in 210.52 and is not in excess of 5' 1/2" then I say it meets the compliance. if they add an additional receptacle for the TV then so be it. However, more than 99% of the time during my inspection or my guys inspections we dont have anything in place so it meets the spacing requirements then it would pass. I don't inspect for what someone may do in the future, we inspect for the condition at the time of the inspection.
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I agree. Inspecting for what might happen would make the inspection extremely subjective and would be beyond the purview of the NEC.
 
LarryFine said:
To approach it from another angle, if I were laying out a room, and was asked to place a receptacle up high for a wall-mounted TV, I would install another one at whatever-height-matches-the-rest-of-the-room from the floor, even if it was directly beneath the TV receptacle.

Additionally, if 'directed' by the customer to omit the lower one (for asthetics, I guess) and he insisted, based on the upper one meeting NEC spacing requirements, I'd comply, but only with the agreement that he'd pay for me to install one later if the inspector required it.

My alternate suggestion would be to adjust the layout to accomodate placing one receptacle within six feet of each side of the TV, if the desire is to have blank wall below the TV. However, people often place low furniture below the TV for A/V gear anyway.
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That's a good call about the A/V stuff Larry, I was actually thiking the same thing. What about the cable box and the surround sound system, and the disc player, etc. So you're probably going to end up with an outlet down there anyway.
 
Did anybody else notice that this thread had laid dormant for nearly four months, when it was sidetracked by a new member, after which the original question was reopened to debate? Should I move the sidetrack question to a new thread, and see if the debate continues or dies? :D
 
charlie b said:
Did anybody else notice that this thread had laid dormant for nearly four months, when it was sidetracked by a new member, after which the original question was reopened to debate? Should I move the sidetrack question to a new thread, and see if the debate continues or dies? :D
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Why? Then everyone would forget what they said - and say it again...
 
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