Wet Bar Fridge

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No argument in the house I am wiring now. There is a wet bar with microwave, undercabinet refrig, and coffee maker in the master bathroom. Do I need 2 GFCI since it is a wet bar and in the bathroom????:grin: :D :grin:
 
danickstr said:
disposals, under-sink compactors, and insta-hot do not require gfi, but a wet bar fridge with no access to the outlet without removal of the fridge requires one. Way to go NEC.
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If the disposal, under-sink compactors, and insta-hot water heater receptacles are within 6 feet of the outside edge of a wet bar sink ,then they are required to be GFCI protected, even if they are under the sink.

Chris
 
raider1 said:
If the disposal, under-sink compactors, and insta-hot water heater receptacles are within 6 feet of the outside edge of a wet bar sink ,then they are required to be GFCI protected, even if they are under the sink.
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But the same receptacles in a dwelling kitchen would not need to be GFCI protected. There seems to be some inconsistency here. I suspect that the 2011 NEC will require in dwellings what is already required in non-dwellings - ALL receptacles in the kitchen will require GFCI protection. We will see....
 
haskindm said:
But the same receptacles in a dwelling kitchen would not need to be GFCI protected. There seems to be some inconsistency here. I suspect that the 2011 NEC will require in dwellings what is already required in non-dwellings - ALL receptacles in the kitchen will require GFCI protection. We will see....
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Correct, and I agree there is some inconsistency.

It will be interesting to see what, if anything is done in the 2011 NEC to fix this.

Chris
 
m73214 said:
I assume that in a kitchen environment, the same would apply to a refrigerator within 6' of the sink also even if the receptacle was behind the appliance?
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In residential, no; only for countertop receptacles. In non-residential, all kitchen 120v receptacles require GFCI protection.
 
480sparky said:
That's my take on it. For kitchens, only the receps that serve the counter are required to be GFId.

210.8(A)(6) and (7) aren't that complicated.
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Sorry I have the wrong quote
 
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Dennis Alwon said:
No argument in the house I am wiring now. There is a wet bar with microwave, undercabinet refrig, and coffee maker in the master bathroom. Do I need 2 GFCI since it is a wet bar and in the bathroom????:grin: :D :grin:
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No. one GFI covers all outlets in the bathroom. Nothing says the fridge or countertop needs adifferent one.
 
I think that this would be the perfect opportunity to add some more clarifying terminology to the code, such as:

dry wet bar
wet wet bar
really wet wet bar
wet bar in a wet location
wet bar in a really wet location


jmo
 
If this wet bar were to be in a non-dwelling unit - would GFCI protection be required?

(Rolling with the inconsistencies :roll: )
 
rcarroll said:
No in the '05 code. Yes in the '08 code.
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Agreed. It amazes me that it has taken until the 2008 NEC to require receptacles within 6 feet of a sink in a non-dwelling unit to be GFCI protected.

Right now I can install a non-GFCI protected receptacle right below the faucet in a slop sink in a commercial building. That just screams WRONG to me.

Chris
 
nakulak said:
I think that this would be the perfect opportunity to add some more clarifying terminology to the code, such as:

dry wet bar
wet wet bar
really wet wet bar
wet bar in a wet location
wet bar in a really wet location
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Don't forget a candy bar, an open bar, and Roseanne Barr.
 
Thanks for the responses. I was pretty sure it had to be GFCI protected even though it wouldn't were it in the kitchen.:roll: I have given up on using common sense and resigned myself to the fact that the NEC is a design manual. I wonder if someone could write a correction notice to the CMPs for violation of 90.1(A) and 90.1(C)?:grin:
 
sguinn said:
Is it just me or are our moderators conspicuously silent on this one? Maybe that's why they are moderators.;)
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The thread doesn't need moderating...everyone is playing nicely :grin:
 
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