wet bars

[Dallas texas]

Cant find much about countertop space for bars,wet bars,ect...

Gfi. 2 ft rule still applies?

 

[tim89s]

Look in 210.8(A)(7)

 

[allenwayne]

You mean gfci 6 ft rule don`t you??? A wet bar isn`t restricted like a kitchen countertop is 1 ft,2 ft, 4 ft.

 

[steve66]

You mean gfci 6 ft rule don`t you??? A wet bar isn`t restricted like a kitchen countertop is 1 ft,2 ft, 4 ft.

Well, the code says that spacing applies to kitchens and dining rooms. The handbook says "kitchens, dining areas, and similar spaces". So I always thought a wet bar would have to meet the same spacing requirements.

Anyone else agree or disagree?

 

[jwelectric]

A wet bar is a wet bar and a kitchen is a kitchen. Are we going to include Laundry and utility sinks that have counter tops to this 20 amp 4 foot on center rule also?

 

[don_resqcapt19]

Mike,
Steve is correct...if it is a countertop in the kitchen or dining room the kitchen spacing rules apply.

(C) Countertops In kitchens and dining rooms of dwelling units, receptacle outlets for counter spaces shall be installed in accordance with 210.52(C)(1) through (C)(5).

Don

 

[jwelectric]

Mike,
Steve is correct...if it is a countertop in the kitchen or dining room the kitchen spacing rules apply.

Don

Yes I would agree with this statement but a wet bar that is in other than kitchens or dinning rooms are just plain old wet bars and can be wired with a general purpose circuit that would comply with the 6 foot rule and GFCI protected only when within 6 feet of the sink.

 

[jcole]

JW

Where in the code does it say that receptacles within 6 ft of a sink have to be gfci protected? I have always heard this and complied but never have found in code.

 

[1793]

Gfci

Gfci

JW

Where in the code does it say that receptacles within 6 ft of a sink have to be gfci protected? I have always heard this and complied but never have found in code.

210.8 (A)(7)

 

[Dallas texas]

You mean gfci 6 ft rule don`t you??? A wet bar isn`t restricted like a kitchen counte

You mean gfci 6 ft rule don`t you??? A wet bar isn`t restricted like a kitchen counte

Yes. There is no rule that I found about spacing for wet bar counter space.
other than the 6ft rule

 

[JohnJ0906]

Although it is not required, I usually space wet bar recepticles the same as a kitchen, it is just convenient, and noone complains about not having enough

 

[stickboy1375]

You bet! Why would you NOT want a receptacle convenient?

 

[Dallas texas]

Thank all of you.

Thank all of you.

I have already put one gfi in the wet bar with 14 ft of countertop.
the builder said the buyer doesn't want any but she got one.
but I wanted to see who could enlighten me on this.
not much on wet bars.

 

[tom baker]

1793:
210.8 (A)(7) was a 2005 NEC change, it was the last sink to be GFCI protected, and the code panel changed the text to eliminate countertops, as some sinks are not in countertops.

 

[cowboyjwc]

I don't believe that a wetbar requires a receptecale but if you put on in it must be GFCI protected. 210.8(A)(7)

 

[charlie b]

Three points to keep in mind.

1. 210.8(A)(7) only applies to dwelling units. There is no ?six foot rule? anywhere else.

2. 210.8(A)(7) only calls out three types of sinks. Sinks in bathrooms and kitchens are covered by separate sub-parts of 210.8(A). So if you can come up with a sink that is not in the kitchen or a bathroom, and is neither a laundry sink nor a utility sink nor a wet bar sink, then you don?t have to protect receptacles with six feet with GFCIs.

3. Some jurisdictions, and Washington State is one, have adopted a broad definition of ?kitchen.? So you might have to apply the kitchen countertop rules to a wet bar or other areas of a dwelling unit, if ?food preparation? takes place in that area.

 

[steve66]

Three points to keep in mind.

1. 210.8(A)(7) only applies to dwelling units. There is no ?six foot rule? anywhere else.

2. 210.8(A)(7) only calls out three types of sinks. Sinks in bathrooms and kitchens are covered by separate sub-parts of 210.8(A). So if you can come up with a sink that is not in the kitchen or a bathroom, and is neither a laundry sink nor a utility sink nor a wet bar sink, then you don?t have to protect receptacles with six feet with GFCIs.

3. Some jurisdictions, and Washington State is one, have adopted a broad definition of ?kitchen.? So you might have to apply the kitchen countertop rules to a wet bar or other areas of a dwelling unit, if ?food preparation? takes place in that area.

On point 3, don't forget kitchen countertop rules also apply to countertops in dining rooms. So if they use a broad definition for a kitchen, then a dining room could be almost anywhere you might eat food.

 

[charlie b]

On point 3, don't forget kitchen countertop rules also apply to countertops in dining rooms. So if they use a broad definition for a kitchen, then a dining room could be almost anywhere you might eat food.

The broadness doesn't go quite that far, at least not here in WA. Where you eat the food is not relevant. All that matters is where you prepare it.