What breakers can I use?

Don't look for the CL. Just use the BR. The BR is also marked Type C for Challenger.

Who says you can't use a quad for and EV? If its the inspector I would tell them its not their choice. You can use any breaker listed for the panel.
 
Max Headroom said:
Thank you Jraef, that's great news. Is there readily available documentation that you know of for the inspector should he require it or does it specify on the breaker itself? Thank you all
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On the front of the BR breakers, it says “Type C”, and the Challenger panel label should say it requires a Type C breaker.IMG_0190.jpeg
 
curt swartz said:
Don't look for the CL. Just use the BR. The BR is also marked Type C for Challenger.

Who says you can't use a quad for and EV? If its the inspector I would tell them its not their choice. You can use any breaker listed for the panel.
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Excellent, thank you for your help. That's what it said on the cities website (All EVC breakers shall be full space (no quads breakers) that's verbatim.
 
I found a couple of pics of older panel labels from my own past posts. Note the multiple types:

(I believe that the W in a circle is Westinghouse)

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LarryFine said:
I found a couple of pics of older panel labels from my own past posts. Note the multiple types:

(I believe that the W in a circle is Westinghouse)

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Very interesting, so the old Murray panel and Crouse Hinds both accepted the Bryant BR and Westinghouse also fit both? So now where did Sylvania and Challenger come into this? Is it a case of one company buying another until we finally end up with Eaton?
 
That labels in Larry's post are just an example. It does not mean every Crouse-Hinds panel accepts other manufactures breakers.

Murray became Crouse-Hinds then when Siemens purchased the distribution line from Crouse-Hinds they renamed it back to Murray.

Sylvania became Challanger.

Bryant was purchased by Westinghouse.

Wesinghouse then purchased Challanger.

Westinghouse kept Bryant and Challanger equipment separate for sales/marketing. They manufactured 1 breaker but labeled labeled them differently. BR for Bryant and C for Challanger.

Eaton purchased Westinghouse distribution equipment. They merged the Bryant line and Challanger into one, Eaton BR. They label the BR breakers with both BR and C so they can be use in both BR and C panels.

Siemens and Eaton have no connection in this buyout mix.
 
Max Headroom said:
Very interesting, so the old Murray panel and Crouse Hinds both accepted the Bryant BR and Westinghouse also fit both? So now where did Sylvania and Challenger come into this? Is it a case of one company buying another until we finally end up with Eaton?
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Sylvania became Challenger, which was later bought by Westinghouse, which was bought by Eaton.
 
Max Headroom said:
Very interesting, so the old Murray panel and Crouse Hinds both accepted the Bryant BR and Westinghouse also fit both? So now where did Sylvania and Challenger come into this? Is it a case of one company buying another until we finally end up with Eaton?
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At some point in the 1990s (can’t remember the exact year now), UL changed their rules for testing of breakers and panels. UL-489 listed plug-in circuit breakers must be tested and listed in the UL-67 listed panels they will be used in, and vice versa. Prior to that, breakers could be tested and listed stand-alone, but the PANELS had to be listed with whatever breakers would fit, so long as they are listed in the panel label. that’s what you are seeing here. Once UL required they be tested together, that went out the window. But it is not retroactive, so older panels that still show it on their labels can still do it. It’s just anything built AFTER that change that cannot.
 
curt swartz said:
That labels in Larry's post are just an example. It does not mean every Crouse-Hinds panel accepts other manufactures breakers.

Murray became Crouse-Hinds then when Siemens purchased the distribution line from Crouse-Hinds they renamed it back to Murray.

Sylvania became Challanger.

Bryant was purchased by Westinghouse.

Wesinghouse then purchased Challanger.

Westinghouse kept Bryant and Challanger equipment separate for sales/marketing. They manufactured 1 breaker but labeled labeled them differently. BR for Bryant and C for Challanger.

Eaton purchased Westinghouse distribution equipment. They merged the Bryant line and Challanger into one, Eaton BR. They label the BR breakers with both BR and C so they can be use in both BR and C panels.

Siemens and Eaton have no connection in this buyout mix.
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LarryFine said:
I found a couple of pics of older panel labels from my own past posts. Note the multiple types:

(I believe that the W in a circle is Westinghouse)

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I managed to get a photo of the label
 

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LarryFine said:
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Thank you for straitening that out, I hadn't realized the bottom left text was missing but after the previous posts it seems the Eaton TYPE BR TYPE C would be the obvious choice and other than the label stating replacement circuit breakers must be of the same manufacture (which no longer exist). So in lieu of the history of the past company acquisitions it seems as Murray and Siemens have no connection here, that would mean that the double pole 60 amp labeled TYPE MP-T would be the wrong breaker for this panel?
 
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