What connector is this?

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Most communities have an appeal process that you can use when you get an unfavorable call by an inspector. The problem with using this process is even if you were to win it takes time for the event to happen. Usually a contractor wants his approved inspection so they can be paid. So many times it's easier to make the repair and get the inspection. I would make the inspector cite the code section of the vilolation and if he can't I would at a minimum let his supervisor know about his ineptness.
 
480sparky said:
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ok i think I may have seen one of these about a month ago theat came with a Raco fan box I bought. These would be very handy in panels. I'll have to get some of these guys.
 
LarryFine said:
I, too, think he's wrong, and I would fight it. Otherwise, you set a bad precedent. I'd challenge him to show they were not compliant when installed.
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Why does it matter if they were are were not compliant when installed? This has nothing to do with the op's installation. The inspector has no business even bringing it up to the op.
 
qcroanoke said:
Are you saying that you did not remove an old panel and install a new one? That all you did was add some additional circuits to an existing panel?
If that is what you did he has no right to expect you to replace approved connectors unless you re-used them AND they are not approved for 2 cables.
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Until he answers this, imho there is really no way to help address his problem. 480 already posed this scenario. Another thing I question is if the connector is installed correctly, I enlarged the photo and it seems that only one flange is inside the panel. If existing, not the OP problem; however, if new panel and reusing old connector, big problem. I am not presuming that the OP installed the connector, I just want to say it looks wrong when enlarged.
 
steelersman said:
ok i think I may have seen one of these about a month ago theat came with a Raco fan box I bought. These would be very handy in panels. I'll have to get some of these guys.
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My name is M. D. ,..I use these all the time,.. ,.. they grip well and I love them.
 
Inspectors do have a right to fail anything they see while doing there job. He does need to site the code number and anything old is grandfathered in. So if it was legal at time it still is. Either way if its not my work then its an extra. Remodels usually open up the can of worms.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
Inspectors do have a right to fail anything they see while doing there job. He does need to site the code number and anything old is grandfathered in. So if it was legal at time it still is. Either way if its not my work then its an extra. Remodels usually open up the can of worms.
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I disagree. I don't think he has the right to fail anything that isn't part of the new install.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
Inspectors do have a right to fail anything they see while doing there job. He does need to site the code number and anything old is grandfathered in. So if it was legal at time it still is. Either way if its not my work then its an extra. Remodels usually open up the can of worms.
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Jim,.. have you been swinging on that pole of yours... they don't have the right to fail my installation based on the work of someone else.

There is no such thing as "grand pappied in" it is either code compliant or not .. existing violations are allowed ,..well ,.. to exist.. until they either go caflooie or become serious enough for an inspector to take action ,...
 
When I make inspections many times I come across existing violations. If I'm making an inspection for a contractor I inspect the work he is doing. If I notice existing violations that are property or life threatening I notify the owner in writing of the violations. I do not hold the contractor responsible for work he had no control over.
 
SEO said:
There is a slang word for those but not appropriate for the forum.
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hahaha. I know what it is. But we used the slang term for the other style black plastic connectors. The ones that you push in from the outside of the box made by Arlington. What's cool about these ones in the pic is that they push in from the inside, making them great for adding romex in existing panels with sheetrock in the way.
 
Put fire caulk in the gaps and you should be fine.

I try to figure on some thing like this in advance. If I see some thing out of the ordinary.
It would have only taken 5 minutes while the sheet rock was off.

But it's always some thing no matter how hard you try.
 
SEO said:
When I make inspections many times I come across existing violations. If I'm making an inspection for a contractor I inspect the work he is doing. If I notice existing violations that are property or life threatening I notify the owner in writing of the violations. I do not hold the contractor responsible for work he had no control over.
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Good man. I can't think of a better way to act on such a situation.:smile:
 
steelersman said:
ok i think I may have seen one of these about a month ago theat came with a Raco fan box I bought. These would be very handy in panels. I'll have to get some of these guys.
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They are not the typical 'black buttons' you normally see. "Black buttons" push in from the outside of the box. These are designed to be installed from the inside of the box.

Two totally different critters in terms of listing and installation.
 
SEO said:
When I make inspections many times I come across existing violations. If I'm making an inspection for a contractor I inspect the work he is doing. If I notice existing violations that are property or life threatening I notify the owner in writing of the violations. I do not hold the contractor responsible for work he had no control over.
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same pocess we follow... sometimes it hurts to wear the blinders...but as you say..not the present contractors problem... often we can help get him additional work however..
 
480sparky said:
They are not the typical 'black buttons' you normally see. "Black buttons" push in from the outside of the box. These are designed to be installed from the inside of the box.

Two totally different critters in terms of listing and installation.
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yes as you can see from my previous post I am aware of this: "The ones that you push in from the outside of the box made by Arlington. What's cool about these ones in the pic is that they push in from the inside, making them great for adding romex in existing panels with sheetrock in the way."

:)
 
SEO said:
When I make inspections many times I come across existing violations. If I'm making an inspection for a contractor I inspect the work he is doing. If I notice existing violations that are property or life threatening I notify the owner in writing of the violations. I do not hold the contractor responsible for work he had no control over.
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Well here they will demand the violations be fixed. If it was never legal and opening up the wall exsposes a violation i think he has the duty to demand it corected before wall is closed.
Had this several years ago on a remodel/addition of a 1920,s home. Blown in insulation covering knob and tube wiring as well as some mickey mouse wiring. Yes it was a major extra. Only choice was to rewire house. I am not saying nit picking things like the OP has.
But violations need fixed and this is the fastest way it will get done. And i usually dont pick sides with inspectors. Over a simple connector i think most would ignore.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
Well here they will demand the violations be fixed. If it was never legal and opening up the wall exsposes a violation i think he has the duty to demand it corected before wall is closed.
Had this several years ago on a remodel/addition of a 1920,s home. Blown in insulation covering knob and tube wiring as well as some mickey mouse wiring. Yes it was a major extra. Only choice was to rewire house. I am not saying nit picking things like the OP has.
But violations need fixed and this is the fastest way it will get done. And i usually dont pick sides with inspectors. Over a simple connector i think most would ignore.
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I agree that if walls are opened up they can not be covered until violations are corrected. What I was referring to was when I make an inspection for an a/c, dryer install or an addition etc. and passing thru I notice other violations not at all related I do not hold the contractor responsible for the repair. If a contractor opens a wall for his work then he is responsible for the repair. I can't make an inspection of an electric waterheater then turn around and make the people rewire their whole house. I give them the life safety violations in writing. We are lucky to even be invited into most peoples homes anyway. More work is done without permits than with permits for small residential jobs.
 
Buck Parrish said:
Put fire caulk in the gaps and you should be fine.

I try to figure on some thing like this in advance. If I see some thing out of the ordinary.
It would have only taken 5 minutes while the sheet rock was off.

But it's always some thing no matter how hard you try.
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What does fire caulk have to do with anything the inspector doesn't like the connectors. :confused:
 
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