What is the point of Redheads?

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Bill W said:
(to the point of the manufactuer including the redheads w/ the mc)
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And I gave you a reference from the manufactures themselves that they do that voluntarily and do not require Redheads used with their product.


Here in the North country, when the AHJ wants redheads or mc straps every two feet...you do it....
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If you want to accept that you can, or you could fight either and win.

The choice is up to you if you want to stand up or lay down.

Sometimes it is less of a hassle to just lay down and take it but don't say that you don't have a choice.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
At our company you SHALL use them,but you don't have to work here,that choice is yours.We are a quality company and not after min.,fast,cheap.As others have said the ones not using them create work for others.I for one have seen the so called bushing in the connector fall out.
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I deal with a lot of different EC's, and I can safely say that the vast majority of them are "....not after min.,fast,cheap." I wish I could say the same for the sign industry.

I wasn't aware that redheads are not NEC required. That won't stop me from taking the extra 2 seconds to install one.
 
Ok,sharp metal jacket.Soft plastic insulation.......I don`t care if the connector has a plastic throat bushing.IMHO an anti short bushing should be used.After all they come attached to the roll of MC.Although not required to be used by the NEC,the manufacturer just doesn`t give them out for no reason.You can split hairs all you want but IMHO if you install MC use what is supplied and that would be an antishort bushing ,regardless of the connector having a insulated throat.
 
We always use them, required or not. I know guys that don't use them simply because they're not required. Like Neonjoe said, what's an extra couple of seconds.
 
This would be good for job applications.

Question: If you foreman asked you to use anti-short bushing while installing M-C cable ( even though not a NEC requirement ) which of the following would most likley be your reaction?

A: Use them as requested .

B: Use them but pout about it because its stupid.

C: Let the journeyman or master running the project that these are not a requirement and they may not be as educated as you are on such matters.

D: Flat out refuse to use them .


If other than A is selected you can toss the application in the garbage can and move on to next one.
 
Everyone must use them now after an inspector failed the inspection for not using them.

He got on his knees with a flashlight and checked every box for the little red tip sticking out. Unbelievable.
 
They do cost if you need extra ones and thats often anymore.4 cents a piece.With the thousands of connections we make just what percentage are you ok with shorting out ? What will it cost to fix this short ? Backcharges for drywall and painter.Takes maybe extra 5 seconds to go one step safer.Any way you cut it there will still be a charp edge.This is one item i wish did become a nec requirement
 
allenwayne said:
..the manufacturer just doesn`t give them out for no reason...use what is supplied and that would be an antishort bushing ,regardless of the connector having a insulated throat.
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Shall we then assume that you use the wirenuts that are supplied by lighting fixture manufacturers?
 
wireman3736 said:
Just another 2 cent opinion, I use redheads for AC, MC and GREENFIELD, All sizes. Always have and always will.:D
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Opinions are no longer 2 cents,inflation has hit everything and they now go for 3 cents.Poor ones still can be had for a penny.LOL
 
iwire said:
They would be if they where actually pure copper.

They are almost completely zinc at this point.
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Which is still worth more than 1? with the current price of zinc. But there's probably some sort of law against turning them in for the scrap value.
 
paul said:
Which is still worth more than 1? with the current price of zinc. But there's probably some sort of law against turning them in for the scrap value.
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that would really help the economy it costs more then a penny to make a penny so lets destroy all the pennies we have and recycle them so the mint can spend more money to make new ones that are worth less then what it costs to make them.people already horde pennies and that is why the mint is always making more now. real good idea yes? how about working 12 hour days and only getting paid for 4? makes the same kind of sense

and I do believe that there is a law that says that only the treasury can destroy money intentionally
 
don_resqcapt19 said:
This is just one more problem that would go away if every place would adopt the Chicago code.
Don
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I know I am going off topic now, but another problem solved this way would be the lack of a brand new 28' Bayliner and two Jet Ski's in my driveway. I would love it if everyplace had to adopt the Chicago code. And then they could reopen all the steel mills again.
 
paul said:
Shall we then assume that you use the wirenuts that are supplied by lighting fixture manufacturers?
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Actually i use other ones that actually work.Just saying that anti short bushings are an added protection for the install.I started with BX installs back in the 70`s and have used the since.If you can do an install over and above what is the min requirement then hey do it as long as it is cost effective.I`ve seen all to many insulated throat connectors without bushings blow out from a short and have had to repair them.So to me it is a cheap insurance and when you had the responsibility to answer for the blow out thats a no brainer.
 
marinesgt0411 said:
and I do believe that there is a law that says that only the treasury can destroy money intentionally
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Why would you think that? Sounds like an urban legend to me. If it's my money can't I do whatever I want with it? I can give it to someone else (spending it) or I can melt it down, after all it's mine. The government hasn't lent it to me.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
They do cost if you need extra ones and thats often anymore.4 cents a piece.With the thousands of connections we make just what percentage are you ok with shorting out ? What will it cost to fix this short ? Backcharges for drywall and painter.Takes maybe extra 5 seconds to go one step safer.Any way you cut it there will still be a charp edge.This is one item i wish did become a nec requirement
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"With the thousands of connections we make just what percentage are you ok with shorting out ? What will it cost to fix this short ? Backcharges for drywall and painter.Takes maybe extra 5 seconds to go one step safer.Any way you cut it there will still be a charp edge."

AMEN !

Jim W in Tampa said:
This is one item i wish did become a nec requirement
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Don't hold your breath. If the manufacturer doesn't want it, it's not going to happen. They'll dump 300,000 pages on the code panel that "prove" that it's not needed.

David
 
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