What is wrong with other trades?

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stickboy1375

stickboy1375

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Here is a kitchen rough in I went back to after the insulators were done, I am really tired of holding other trades hands and babysitting.


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This is what it should have looked like,

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Minuteman said:
It's a good thing you dropped by!
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Its on purpose believe me, This happens on EVERY job, I'm not sure what I dislike more, insulators, or sheetrockers... :mad:

The thing that REALLY grinds my gears, is that being a good electrician I have to learn every trade, yet every other trade just looks out for themselves... god I hate that!

The language barrier is really a problem also, I need to order some Rosetta Stone CD's to learn Polish for insulators, French for sheetrock, and Spanish for painting to landscaping.
 
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I used to drive a nail next to wires that needed to stick out of the wall, but they could still pull it out of thier way, next time try running a three inch long screw into the stud next to your wire and leave it sticking out long enough the drywallers cant miss it. it would be best if it is a screw with an oddball slot like a torx or tamperproof so they cant just take it out and cover over you anyway.
 
Happens all the time.
I stopped by a reno a few weeks ago and pulled my whips out of the insulation that they covered them up with only to end up having them boarded over anyway. Needless to say, the walls looked like switch cheese after I was done with the romex search and rescue tool. Some people just call it a hammer. I call it effective.
 
Is that a four gang box ?? if not skip most of the following,.... I'd avoid them if they are switches ..Why you say , cause Ive seen a lot o' home owners stand there ,.after years of living in the home, hen peck their way through the choices,
Click "not this one " click ,..."nope" click "let's see,..click,..nope " click "I think I tried this one" Click click " I don't even know where this one goes" click "Aha there it is"

I met one guy had a house full of four gang boxes and some five , most were labeled ,..smart guy too ,..quite successful,... he felt he owed me a tour of them like he was proud he'd figured them out or something it was pretty funny ,.I wondered how many folks he took on the tour??

" ...and this one here by the basement back door ,..turns on the outside flood lights on the front of the house ,.. imagine that?! "
And I'm thinking ,..":confused: This guy is a captian for Delta Air lines??? ,..yikes ,..maybe they don't use switches in cockpits any more...:confused:

So I've come the conclusion that the human brain can only efficientlly keep track of three switches at a given location,.. and the confusion factor is proportinal to the distance away from the switch of that which is controled...and some folks can only handel two....:smile:

I have used the screw technique ,..that way you know they had to see your intent.
 
stickboy1375 said:
Its on purpose believe me, This happens on EVERY job, I'm not sure what I dislike more, insulators, or sheetrockers... :mad:

The thing that REALLY grinds my gears, is that being a good electrician I have to learn every trade, yet every other trade just looks out for themselves... god I hate that!
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I feel your pain. I also find that most builders I've worked for that shop for the lowest priced sheetrockers, insulators, painters, stucco installers, etc will hold licensed electricians and plumbers to higher standards than any of the other trades. Maybe because our prices are higher, we have the required licenses and they just can't drive by and pick us up off the side of the road.
The language barrier is really a problem also, I need to order some Rosetta Stone CD's to learn Polish for insulators, French for sheetrock, and Spanish for painting to landscaping.
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While the Rosetta Stone tapes might seem like a far stretch I don't see this situation changing any time soon. You'll always be better off finding some way to communicate with them. Otherwise you'll end up fishing your wires out of walls and cutting sheetrock to find buried JB's. BTW, I really have a great love for the Roto-Zip rebels
 
M. D. said:
Is that a four gang box ?? if not skip most of the following,.... I'd avoid them if they are switches ..Why you say , cause Ive seen a lot o' home owners stand there ,.after years of living in the home, hen peck their way through the choices,
Click "not this one " click ,..."nope" click "let's see,..click,..nope " click "I think I tried this one" Click click " I don't even know where this one goes" click "Aha there it is"

I met one guy had a house full of four gang boxes and some five , most were labeled ,..smart guy too ,..quite successful,... he felt he owed me a tour of them like he was proud he'd figured them out or something it was pretty funny ,.I wondered how many folks he took on the tour??

" ...and this one here by the basement back door ,..turns on the outside flood lights on the front of the house ,.. imagine that?! "
And I'm thinking ,..":confused: This guy is a captian for Delta Air lines??? ,..yikes ,..maybe they don't use switches in cockpits any more...:confused:

So I've come the conclusion that the human brain can only efficientlly keep track of three switches at a given location,.. and the confusion factor is proportinal to the distance away from the switch of that which is controled...and some folks can only handel two....:smile:

I have used the screw technique ,..that way you know they had to see your intent.
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Had no choice in this application... :wink:
 
chris kennedy said:
Stick, what do you have your UCL's poking through? Is that cardboard?
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Yes, I use cardboard, I also leave the lights an inch higher then the planned cabinet bottom, this allows the cabinet installer to just notch the sheetrock down and not have to worry about any patching or whatever.
 
goldstar said:
BTW, I really have a great love for the Roto-Zip rebels
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Aren't sheetrock guys the greatest? Would you like your wire pureed or lightly chopped?:roll:
 
stickboy1375 said:
Yes, I use cardboard, I also leave the lights an inch higher then the planned cabinet bottom, this allows the cabinet installer to just notch the sheetrock down and not have to worry about any patching or whatever.
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I always go 1" higher and still do but one time the cabinet installer pulled the dang wires inside his cabinet. :roll: Now what was he thinking? :-?
 
we are doing a dialysis clinic in a hospital right now...the building is finished, with working bathrooms approximately 100' from the door to the unit we are working in...4 companies on site (us, the plumbers, the hvac's, and the framing/sheetrockers)...cups of urine all over the jobsite....ain't us, the plumbers or the tin knockers...
 
emahler said:
we are doing a dialysis clinic in a hospital right now...the building is finished, with working bathrooms approximately 100' from the door to the unit we are working in...4 companies on site (us, the plumbers, the hvac's, and the framing/sheetrockers)...cups of urine all over the jobsite....ain't us, the plumbers or the tin knockers...
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thats just nasty...
 
stickboy1375 said:
Here is a kitchen rough in I went back to after the insulators were done, I am really tired of holding other trades hands and babysitting.
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Then stop holding their hand and babysitting and start charging them.
 
emahler said:
...cups of urine all over the jobsite....ain't us, the plumbers or the tin knockers...
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Wait until you find a 5-gal spackle bucket with the other thing in it. Can't tell you how much fun that is.:mad:
 
ultramegabob said:
what kind of nasty jobsites do you guys work on? around here we are required to have port-a-pots so that kind of stuff doesnt go on.
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same here....this job has a working bathroom down the hall...sometime you just can fix stupid (or lazy)
 
I know if I was on a jobsite with human waste laying around everywhere and the GC didnt do anything about it, there would be a call to the board of health.
 
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