Whats included?

[480sparky]

Well...it shouldn't be long now...and somebody'll prove me just a babe in the woods. I've had so many lefts on this forum, sometimes I just beg for a right. But I can only fall on my face when I'm pointing forward. :smile:
I just can't imagine being commanded to install a telephone by law. The telemarketers sure have a powerful lobby heh?

Let's try 800.156 in the '08.

 

[wbalsam1]

Let's try 800.156 in the '08.

There comes that "right". I am not used to looking in the '08 code yet. Glad I didn't bet. :smile: Thanks.

 

[360Youth]

I just can't imagine being commanded to install a telephone by law.

I can't imagine not putting one in a house. Nowadays I will even pull a spare coax for wireless purposes. Certain things are selling points and I believe a GC appreciates subs that look out for them. Don't get me wrong, I am not going to break the bank to impress one.

My wife and I are licensed foster parents and we are required to have a land line. Not a code issue, but a resonable requirement.

 

[480sparky]

There comes that "right". I am not used to looking in the '08 code yet. Glad I didn't bet. :smile: Thanks.

Neither am I. I was more shocked by the gray highlight. So I looked in the '05, and it wasn't there.

I would have been good money it was an 'old' code.

Then again, my memory isn't what it used to be.

Looks like the Code is trying to keep up with folks building houses and not installing phone lines because they're going all wireless for phone, 'net, etc.

And keep in mind, my memory isn't what it used to be.

Learn something new every day, I guess. And my memory's not what it used to be.

 

[George Stolz]

I would include only the required receptacles/phone in a "code only" house. Why tack extras onto your bid to push your bid higher than the next guy? :-?

For anybody curious, here's the proposal for the required phone (it was news to me too)

_______________________________________________________________
16-207 Log #2655 NEC-P16 Final Action: Accept in Principle in Part
(800.156)
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Robert W. Jensen, dbi / Rep. BICSI, A Telecommunications
Association
Recommendation: Add new text to read:
800.156 Dwelling Unit Communications Outlets. For new construction, a minimum of two communications outlet shall be installed; one within the master bedroom and one within the living room or kitchen, and cabled to the service provider demarcation point.

Substantiation: Currently there is no requirement for a communications outlet in a dwelling unit. A communications outlet in the home is needed for many reasons, but most important is for emergency services such as a simple call for police, fire or rescue squad.

This proposal only affects newly constructed dwelling units. In addition to the problem it solves for communications needs in a dwelling, the proposal is also targeted at safety of technicians and emergency responding personnel while enhancing the 5 key NFPA strategies to reduce fatal home fires.

1. Reduces the safety risk of electrocution to technicians where extended length drill bits (54 to 72 inches) are typically used to install cables and penetrate unseen electrical cables in the attic, wall and ceiling space. (See pictures at end of this proposal)
2. Reduces the tripping hazard for fire protection personnel during a fire.
3. Reduces the need for home wiring for communications after occupancy which typically involves tracing, handling, and snaking through electrical cable pathways and spaces such as in attics and wall cavities which creates potentially greater hazard (e.g., electrocution).
4. Increases the use of home protection systems and automation which typically includes fire detection and direct dial-up remote monitoring systems.
5. This proposal ties directly to one of the 5 key NFPA strategies to reduce fatal home fires (see attached ?Fire Loss in the United States During 2002?, Michael J Karter, Jr., Fire Analysis and Research Division, NFPA).
6. Places communications outlets in homes to address fire safety needs of young high user communications groups, older adults, and ADA affected.
7. A fine print note is used as a reference to a standard that specifies installation requirements such as minimum separation from power cabling and minimum requirements for cabling in support of the FCC mandate for category 3 cable or better. In addition, this standard references several NEC Articles for meeting minimum requirements.
Note: Supporting material is available for review at NFPA Headquarters.

Panel Meeting Action: Accept in Principle in Part
Add new text to 800.156 to read as follows:
800.156 Dwelling Unit Communications Outlet. For new construction, a minimum of one communications outlet shall be installed within the dwelling and cabled to the service provider demarcation point.
Panel Statement: The requirement for at least one outlet within the dwelling meets the submitter?s intent.
Number Eligible to Vote: 15
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 15

 

[480sparky]

I would include only the required receptacles/phone in a "code only" house. Why tack extras onto your bid to push your bid higher than the next guy? :-?

For anybody curious, here's the proposal for the required phone (it was news to me too)

Why not put one jack in the wall right inside the demarc? 5 feet of Cat 3, a box, a cover, two staples, maybe 5 minutes labor, max......

 

[Brady Electric]

What's included

What's included

I do about the same a Marc and Teaspoon.
Anything else is extra. Semper Fi Buddy

 

[bjp_ne_elec]

I know most here don't do this but if you are wiring spec houses to code what do you include with this? Like phones, cable, dedicated micro, stuff like that do you have a list of what you include before the change orders start?

Do put in a dedicated microwave circuit - always. Two phone lines - one down, one in Master - same with Cable - beyond that, every other phone or Cable outlet is extra. Here in NE we typically include the Fan/Light for each bathroom (and HVAC guy runs vent ). Two circuits for upstairs bedrooms (up to three BR). Dedicated GFCI receptacles - one in each Bathroom, one in Basement and another one to feed outside outlets - use GFCI receptacles as they're cheaper than GFCI breaker. Two 20A Kitchen outlets - of course. Figure for electric Dryer outlet and dedicated Washer circuit - don't know how many times I heard - "I won't need that Dryer outlet" - and then they end up with an electrical Dryer, as opposed to Natural Gas or Propane.

A/C typically priced as extra - unless I had a heads-up they wanted it. Also always ask up front about well - as quite a few homes in some of the rural areas of NE don't have city water.

bbe - does that answer your questions?

 

[wbalsam1]

16-207 Log #2655 NEC-P16 Final Action: Accept in Principle in Part
(800.156)
__________________________________________________ _____________
Submitter: Robert W. Jensen, dbi / Rep. BICSI, A Telecommunications
Association
Recommendation: Add new text to read:
800.156 Dwelling Unit Communications Outlets. For new construction, a minimum of two communications outlet shall be installed; one within the master bedroom and one within the living room or kitchen, and cabled to the service provider demarcation point.

Notice the industry advancing its' own cause?