When did inspections start

nizak

Senior Member
Was wondering if anyone knew when electrical installations started to require inspections and permits.

I’m sure that large commercial / industrial projects were the first to encounter it and residential work followed.

I do primarily residential work and the oldest stickers/ labels I’ve seen were from the 50’s and they were to the effect “City of ………. Inspection.

No specific trade such as Mechanical/ Building/ Electrical, etc. was listed on it.
 
It would be interesting to see a listing.... not offering to make one .

If nothing else, it probably varies with the age and size of the city, and whether there was a spectacular disaster to driving political need for them.
 

Hv&Lv

Senior Member
Location
-
Occupation
Engineer/Technician
I’m still amazed places like Arizona and Mississippi don’t have a statewide electric code. Local jurisdictions can adopt them if they want to. Otherwise your on your own..
 

kwired

Electron manager
Location
NE Nebraska
Within first few pages of any NEC edition past 40 years (probably even more than that those just ones I'm more familiar with) tell about history of the code.

NFPA's first edition was 1911, but it says the original code document was developed in 1897 as a result of united efforts by various insurance, electrical, architectural and allied interests.
 

hillbilly1

Senior Member
Location
North Georgia mountains
Occupation
Owner/electrical contractor
When they built the Home Depot, we still didn’t have inspections. Depot hired their own inspector. A couple years later, they built the WalMart, and I believe we had inspections then. I think it was around 2014.
 

synchro

Senior Member
Location
Chicago, IL
Occupation
EE
This is an excerpt from the June, 1914 issue of the Journal of the Western Society of Engineers, pg. 613-614:

"V. H. Tousley (Chief Electrical Inspector, Chicago) : Mr.
Glover has told us something about the Underwriters ' Laboratories .
After the laboratory has finished with its part of the work, the fittings
are ready for the inspectors in the field . These inspections
are carried on throughout the country, in some cases by the Underwriters,
in some by the individual insurance companies, in some by
the lighting companies, and in other cases by the municipalities .
My remarks will be from the standpoint of the municipality, and
will be confined entirely to the work of the Inspection Bureau, which
covers practically all the work done in the city of Chicago . The
Underwriters have their own inspectors, but they make no pretense
of covering all the work .
Probably very little is known in a general way as to what the
work of the Electrical Inspection Bureau of the City of Chicago
covers. I notice there are men here tonight who are closely connected
with it and who are probably very familiar with it , but the
general electrical man knows little or nothing about the operation of
the municipal Inspection Bureau . I think it is not given the attention
or the support it deserves.

Chicago at the present time maintains an Inspection Bureau
that has 71 employees : 45 of those employees are inspectors working
out in the districts . The appropriation for 1914 is $ 123,860 . That
means Chicago taxpayers are contributing $ 124,000 in 1914 to ensure,
or to attempt to obtain, safe electrical installations .
Chicago has been in the business of inspecting installations for
over thirty years. On the 10th of last December a banquet was
given the Bureau itself to celebrate the thirtieth anniversary of the
passage of the ordinance which created the Bureau . Thirty years
dates back to 1883 and you know that 1883 was pretty young so far
as electrical development was concerned . It is a noteworthy fact
that the book of rules referred to by Mr. Glover was first put together
in Chicago . In 1893 (World's Fair year ) , there was a
meeting of a number of the interested persons , mostly, if not almost
entirely, representatives of insurance companies , who got together
and made up a set of rules . That was the beginning of our present
National Electrical Code. The people who were at this meeting
were not Chicago people alone, but Chicago has the honor of
being the birthplace of the National Electrical Code.
A little idea of the extent of the work of the Inspection Bureau
will be gained from the following figures, which cover the work of
1913. In 1913 there were 114,686 inspections . There were 59,265
permits , which covered the inspection of 2,424,313 incandescent
lights , 239,000 horse power motors , besides a tremendous lot of
other apparatus.
The inspectors are divided into various divisions :
For interior work.
For outside work.
For electric signs .
For theaters .
For reinspection of old installations .
For examination of moving picture operators .
For investigation of electrical accidents ."
 

texie

Senior Member
Location
Fort Collins, Colorado
Occupation
Electrician, Contractor, Inspector
This is an excerpt from the June, 1914 issue of the Journal of the Western Society of Engineers, pg. 613-614:

"V. H. Tousley (Chief Electrical Inspector, Chicago) : Mr.
Glover has told us something about the Underwriters ' Laboratories .
After the laboratory has finished with its part of the work, the fittings
are ready for the inspectors in the field . These inspections
are carried on throughout the country, in some cases by the Underwriters,
in some by the individual insurance companies, in some by
the lighting companies, and in other cases by the municipalities .
My remarks will be from the standpoint of the municipality, and
will be confined entirely to the work of the Inspection Bureau, which
covers practically all the work done in the city of Chicago . The
Underwriters have their own inspectors, but they make no pretense
of covering all the work .
Probably very little is known in a general way as to what the
work of the Electrical Inspection Bureau of the City of Chicago
covers. I notice there are men here tonight who are closely connected
with it and who are probably very familiar with it , but the
general electrical man knows little or nothing about the operation of
the municipal Inspection Bureau . I think it is not given the attention
or the support it deserves.

Chicago at the present time maintains an Inspection Bureau
that has 71 employees : 45 of those employees are inspectors working
out in the districts . The appropriation for 1914 is $ 123,860 . That
means Chicago taxpayers are contributing $ 124,000 in 1914 to ensure,
or to attempt to obtain, safe electrical installations .
Chicago has been in the business of inspecting installations for
over thirty years. On the 10th of last December a banquet was
given the Bureau itself to celebrate the thirtieth anniversary of the
passage of the ordinance which created the Bureau . Thirty years
dates back to 1883 and you know that 1883 was pretty young so far
as electrical development was concerned . It is a noteworthy fact
that the book of rules referred to by Mr. Glover was first put together
in Chicago . In 1893 (World's Fair year ) , there was a
meeting of a number of the interested persons , mostly, if not almost
entirely, representatives of insurance companies , who got together
and made up a set of rules . That was the beginning of our present
National Electrical Code. The people who were at this meeting
were not Chicago people alone, but Chicago has the honor of
being the birthplace of the National Electrical Code.
A little idea of the extent of the work of the Inspection Bureau
will be gained from the following figures, which cover the work of
1913. In 1913 there were 114,686 inspections . There were 59,265
permits , which covered the inspection of 2,424,313 incandescent
lights , 239,000 horse power motors , besides a tremendous lot of
other apparatus.
The inspectors are divided into various divisions :
For interior work.
For outside work.
For electric signs .
For theaters .
For reinspection of old installations .
For examination of moving picture operators .
For investigation of electrical accidents ."
I love reading old things like this. I find the verbiage and terms very interesting from these old documents. Thanks for sharing.
 

jmellc

Senior Member
Location
Durham, NC
Occupation
Facility Maintenance Tech. Licensed Electrician
Oh, and let's separate insurance inspections from government ones. I suspect (without evidence) that the insurance inspections came first.
Very likely. I worked a few years in insurance (life insurance) & a former inlaw was a property/casualty underwriter. Insurance companies have long compiled statistics on risk and loss. They were among the first entities to establish databases of any sort. I can't prove this but I bet an insurance company could shut down a factory faster than a fire marshall. Fire marshall has the authority but may well hesitate to shut down a plant employing 1,000 taxpayers who help fund his retirement. Insurance company looks at the risk factor and won't hesitate to drop coverage to avoid million dollar claims. No large business can operate without coverage.
 

jmellc

Senior Member
Location
Durham, NC
Occupation
Facility Maintenance Tech. Licensed Electrician
This is an excerpt from the June, 1914 issue of the Journal of the Western Society of Engineers, pg. 613-614:

"V. H. Tousley (Chief Electrical Inspector, Chicago) : Mr.
Glover has told us something about the Underwriters ' Laboratories .
After the laboratory has finished with its part of the work, the fittings
are ready for the inspectors in the field . These inspections
are carried on throughout the country, in some cases by the Underwriters,
in some by the individual insurance companies, in some by
the lighting companies, and in other cases by the municipalities .
My remarks will be from the standpoint of the municipality, and
will be confined entirely to the work of the Inspection Bureau, which
covers practically all the work done in the city of Chicago . The
Underwriters have their own inspectors, but they make no pretense
of covering all the work .
Probably very little is known in a general way as to what the
work of the Electrical Inspection Bureau of the City of Chicago
covers. I notice there are men here tonight who are closely connected
with it and who are probably very familiar with it , but the
general electrical man knows little or nothing about the operation of
the municipal Inspection Bureau . I think it is not given the attention
or the support it deserves.

Chicago at the present time maintains an Inspection Bureau
that has 71 employees : 45 of those employees are inspectors working
out in the districts . The appropriation for 1914 is $ 123,860 . That
means Chicago taxpayers are contributing $ 124,000 in 1914 to ensure,
or to attempt to obtain, safe electrical installations .
Chicago has been in the business of inspecting installations for
over thirty years. On the 10th of last December a banquet was
given the Bureau itself to celebrate the thirtieth anniversary of the
passage of the ordinance which created the Bureau . Thirty years
dates back to 1883 and you know that 1883 was pretty young so far
as electrical development was concerned . It is a noteworthy fact
that the book of rules referred to by Mr. Glover was first put together
in Chicago . In 1893 (World's Fair year ) , there was a
meeting of a number of the interested persons , mostly, if not almost
entirely, representatives of insurance companies , who got together
and made up a set of rules . That was the beginning of our present
National Electrical Code. The people who were at this meeting
were not Chicago people alone, but Chicago has the honor of
being the birthplace of the National Electrical Code.
A little idea of the extent of the work of the Inspection Bureau
will be gained from the following figures, which cover the work of
1913. In 1913 there were 114,686 inspections . There were 59,265
permits , which covered the inspection of 2,424,313 incandescent
lights , 239,000 horse power motors , besides a tremendous lot of
other apparatus.
The inspectors are divided into various divisions :
For interior work.
For outside work.
For electric signs .
For theaters .
For reinspection of old installations .
For examination of moving picture operators .
For investigation of electrical accidents ."
I think the Great Chicago Fire of 1871 spurred a lot of the issues there, naturally beginning with fire codes.
 

rambojoe

Senior Member
Location
phoenix az
Occupation
Wireman
Saying arizona doesnt enforce the nec or require a license is just plain misleading- as is that link... You are required to have one of 3 electrical licenses to do legal contracting work and its inspected by an inspector for nec compliance...
It makes no difference if its county or state. Making it sound like the wild west and slinging up flying splices to other fine contractors here is offensive. And rightly so- we have as many p.i.t.a inspectors and local codes as anywhere... Adopted or not.
 

Hv&Lv

Senior Member
Location
-
Occupation
Engineer/Technician
Saying arizona doesnt enforce the nec or require a license is just plain misleading- as is that link... You are required to have one of 3 electrical licenses to do legal contracting work and its inspected by an inspector for nec compliance...
It makes no difference if its county or state. Making it sound like the wild west and slinging up flying splices to other fine contractors here is offensive. And rightly so- we have as many p.i.t.a inspectors and local codes as anywhere... Adopted or not.
Wasn't trying to offend.

Simply stating a few states do not have statewide adoption of the NEC. Arizona being first in that it simply starts with “A”
As for the link, heres another one.https://www.mikeholt.com/necadoptionlist.php

I have enough sense to know there are good electricians in all states. Including those that only have local adoption of the codes.
You took it wrong.
 

kwired

Electron manager
Location
NE Nebraska
Wasn't trying to offend.

Simply stating a few states do not have statewide adoption of the NEC. Arizona being first in that it simply starts with “A”
As for the link, heres another one.https://www.mikeholt.com/necadoptionlist.php

I have enough sense to know there are good electricians in all states. Including those that only have local adoption of the codes.
You took it wrong.
Apparently either rambojoe is wrong or Arizona is good at hiding things. NFPA, Mike Holt, IAEI, NAHB and NEMA sites all say about same thing- that AZ is county/municipal regulation only. Those are only sites I looked at, but are all basically the same info for AZ.
 
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