Why are the conductors in 6/2 and 8/2 NM-B black and white?

Me too. The re-identification nonsense was simply to dumb it down for people who have no business doing electrical work. If you pulled out a wall switch and there are only two conductors in the cable you know that the white is the hot leg. Same with a multi-pole circuit breaker.
However, that also means you came from a time when there was almost never a neutral in a switchbox, and 240V only ever really had an associated neutral if it was a feeder for a sub panel. We have non-contact voltage testers now I could work on a panel with only one color for all the wires, that's not the point, it's not about that it's about the fact that it taunts my OCD.
 
However, that also means you came from a time when there was almost never a neutral in a switchbox, and 240V only ever really had an associated neutral if it was a feeder for a sub panel. We have non-contact voltage testers now I could work on a panel with only one color for all the wires, that's not the point, it's not about that it's about the fact that it taunts my OCD.
If we really want to dumb it down for the trunk slammers and YouTube generation they should just ban the re-identification of the white conductor in a cable just like in a raceway. If you need two ungrounded conductors just require a 3-wire cable.
 
If we really want to dumb it down for the trunk slammers and YouTube generation they should just ban the re-identification of the white conductor in a cable just like in a raceway. If you need two ungrounded conductors just require a 3-wire cable.
...Or just add Red/Blue Romex and ditch 3 and 4 wire all together. Anyway there was a time, not so long ago, when commonly available #10 was solid and if you didn't grease it up to pull through more than a bend or 2 it was gonna arc, and it was pretty hard to even find 6 or 8 in anything other than red, white, black and green. Anything #4 and larger, any color you want as long as it's black.
 
But more to the point, if there existed 6/2 through 10/2 with red/black conductors as well as with the current black white, at a price that was the same or very near, which roll would you keep on YOUR truck?
I'd still keep just the black/white combo and rolls of colored tape. Why waste space on the truck carrying stuff I might only need a couple times a year, when I can give that space to something I know I'll be using every day.
 

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I on the other hand came from doing commercial work in Chicago where this was just never ever a thing. Get out of that environment and into Romexland and it's absolutely everywhere. Make sure you have a fresh battery in your non-contact tester.
I would say 90 percent of my career was commercial and industrial but I still wouldn't have a problem knowing if a white or gray conductor was connected as a hot conductor. To take it a step further, I don't trust colors if I can't see how the conductor is connected.
 
Another vote for money... every color combination you make (black/white, black/red, black/slate, etc) entails another SKU that must be manufactured, stocked, maintained, included in advertising media (even if it's just another row on the available options table), etc. Likewise the guys in the trucks don't want to stock multiple combinations when it's faster and easier to twirl a couple rounds of phase tape to re-identify a non-neutral conductor than to run back and forth to collect, set up, pull, and tear down the "correct" color group.
Used to only use black for everything larger than 6 AWG. That was all the supply house normally stocked. Taped the ends if you needed to designate anything. I still generally only get black for over 6 AWG, but really depends on the job, if enough conductor will be needed might go for different colors instead of taping them.

Supply houses have more colors now and even will pre cut to length and mix colors on same reel so they can all be pulled off same reel for a particular pull. they never used to do that. You do need to give them some lead time. In fact the SH I would purchase from most the time usually has one their other larger branch locations do these special cuts, that location does stock a larger variety of conductors as well. You might need a day or two lead time to get your cut, most the time they can have it for you the next day though.
 
Used to only use black for everything larger than 6 AWG. That was all the supply house normally stocked. Taped the ends if you needed to designate anything. I still generally only get black for over 6 AWG, but really depends on the job, if enough conductor will be needed might go for different colors instead of taping them.

Supply houses have more colors now and even will pre cut to length and mix colors on same reel so they can all be pulled off same reel for a particular pull. they never used to do that. You do need to give them some lead time. In fact the SH I would purchase from most the time usually has one their other larger branch locations do these special cuts, that location does stock a larger variety of conductors as well. You might need a day or two lead time to get your cut, most the time they can have it for you the next day though.
That and they will have pulling heads crimped on.
 
I wouldn't want to carry multiple colors in a truck. There is never enough room as it is. All it does is dumb things down.

If I had my way you should be allowed to reidentify any color you want.

In the old days it was common to find green wire used for a hot.

Electricity is color blind.

Electricians should be as well.

The first thing the homeowners get confused on is colors and the color means nothing.
 
Supply houses have more colors now and even will pre cut to length and mix colors on same reel so they can all be pulled off same reel for a particular pull. they never used to do that. You do need to give them some lead time. In fact the SH I would purchase from most the time usually has one their other larger branch locations do these special cuts, that location does stock a larger variety of conductors as well. You might need a day or two lead time to get your cut, most the time they can have it for you the next day though.
Yep, same in our markets... when I started where I am 15 years ago, you could have any color you wanted so long as that color was black (hmm... sounds familiar...). Our more recent projects (say post-2015 in most areas) the EC was able to spec the size, length, color, and bobbin type, then have that delivered to the site with pre-made heads like Tom mentions :)
 
Me too. The re-identification nonsense was simply to dumb it down for people who have no business doing electrical work. If you pulled out a wall switch and there are only two conductors in the cable you know that the white is the hot leg. Same with a multi-pole circuit breaker.
I doubt electricians were the reason the identification rules came about. It was either engineers inventing solutions to a problem no one had, or, more likely, the manufacturers getting rules made to sell more products.
 
Old guy here. The marking a white conductor is a waste of good tape, not counting the time.
Not as old as you, yet was not marking them when I first started this trade. I find it stupid to mark a white wire that is landed on a breaker, if the untrained can not figure out this is an ungrounded conductor they have no business messing with it in the first place. The other end of the cable? Maybe can be an ok thing some cases.
 
I may have missed this as a comment...

Which came first the chicken or the egg. Code requires a white smaller than #4 to be white along its entire length. I can reidentify the white as a phase color, but I can't reidentify a phase color as a white, so Black white is able to be used for all applications, Black Red is limited non-neutral circuits.
 
I doubt electricians were the reason the identification rules came about. It was either engineers inventing solutions to a problem no one had, or, more likely, the manufacturers getting rules made to sell more products.
since a single wrap of tape near the termination is all that is required for identification, I doubt it was for pushing product sales. Seems it was intended for a certain amount of protection for those that are DIY's and other non professionals, even though most them are clueless anyway what that marking is really all about. It is hard enough to get many of them to realize there is a difference between the functions of the white and bare conductors as it is, but then if you do get them to understand to some degree, the fact they might be on same bus in the service panel gets them confused again.
 
I may have missed this as a comment...

Which came first the chicken or the egg. Code requires a white smaller than #4 to be white along its entire length. I can reidentify the white as a phase color, but I can't reidentify a phase color as a white, so Black white is able to be used for all applications, Black Red is limited non-neutral circuits.
Only can do so with cable assemblies not for individual conductors that are installed in raceways.
 
since a single wrap of tape near the termination is all that is required for identification, I doubt it was for pushing product sales. Seems it was intended for a certain amount of protection for those that are DIY's and other non professionals, even though most them are clueless anyway what that marking is really all about. It is hard enough to get many of them to realize there is a difference between the functions of the white and bare conductors as it is, but then if you do get them to understand to some degree, the fact they might be on same bus in the service panel gets them confused again.
I suppose my comment really applies to rules affecting what size wire can be re-identified.
 
Maybe so, but it should never be the case that an unidentified white is in a panel carrying load, or for that matter nowhere should there ever be a non-re-identified white conductor terminated to anything carrying load.

And this is exactly my point NM and MC are effectively encapsulated raceways, they are not classified that way, but that is what they are. But once the outer covering is removed they are free conductors like any other, but they are given an exemption in the code because they are a manufactured multi-conductor assembly. My point is simply why should they be exempt?
If you can't tell the function of the conductor by where it is terminated, you have no business taking a panel cover off. I see no real reason way you can't do the same with single conductors...just the idea is it never my fault so we need all of these rules to protect people that don't know what they are doing.
 
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