Why is earth grounding important ?

Sometimes I explain earth grounding to carpenters to try to keep them from cutting the Ufer off and burying it, with some amount of success. If it works for carpenters, hopefully it will work for inspectors...

I tell them that when lightning strikes near a house, it causes a magnetic field that could energize all the conductors in the house. The grounding electrode conductor and the grounding electrode allows that voltage to dump directly to the earth, where the lightning wanted to go anyway.

If you don't provide that path, the voltage will find a way to get to the earth anyway, and that path might be through a person or through something combustible.

Simplest way I have found to explain it. It oversimplifies some aspects, but you will lose your audience if you go into more detail and it is good enough for all practical purposes. Hand gestures to illustrate helps get the point across.

Bonding to clear faults is a whole different topic, but I think that one is easier to visualize and explain.
 
voltage to dump directly to the earth, where the lightning wanted to go anyway.

lol

a big NEGATIVE opposite effect at my son's house a few years ago, having a good ground (ufer) on the house CAUSED a lot of damage
direct lightning strike to 150 ft DFir tree 10 ft from house, big lightning gash in tree down to the roof level of the house, then lightning jumped to the grounded floodlight at the eave - blew the computers and the inverter in the heat pump, NO gash in the tree bark from huse eave level to ground, lightning jumped TO the house vs. continuing down the tree to ground!

An UNGROUNDED house would have had less equipment damage.
 
Wrong. Current does not choose one path over another.

I generally agree for normal circuits, but once you are talking about transient high voltage discharges such as lightning I'm not so sure. We are talking about voltages that can break down insulation, so the resistance of the various paths is a dynamic process.

The lightning might be able to go in a million different directions, but once it is following a path that particular path is ionized and far more conductive than any of the other possible paths. In a very real sense, lighting picks a path and follows that one, to the exclusion of other 'parallel' paths.
 
Arcs carry current. Arc current in a plasma may be both electron current and positive ion current, not just electron current as in a wire.

Arc current can be influenced by magnetic fields, just like current in a wire. Arc current can couple to normal current in a wire.

Jonathan
 
I generally agree for normal circuits, but once you are talking about transient high voltage discharges such as lightning I'm not so sure. We are talking about voltages that can break down insulation, so the resistance of the various paths is a dynamic process.

The lightning might be able to go in a million different directions, but once it is following a path that particular path is ionized and far more conductive than any of the other possible paths. In a very real sense, lighting picks a path and follows that one, to the exclusion of other 'parallel' paths.
I wasn't sure if NEC was talking generally or specifically about lightning. I would say that what 99.9% of electricians do is not for lightning purposes and is not a lightning protection system. I would be pretty skeptical that any NEC grounding /bonding would really do much for a lightning event.
 
Just wondering, what was the Equipment ground to the panels, EMT or a wire? If EMT I'm sure the connection was a higher resistance path that the threaded gas line and new bonding jumpers.
The equipment ground to the feeder panel would not really be in either of the two parallel paths.
In a scenario where you have a 120/208 4-wire feeder then a existing 3-wire range circuit to a gas/electric range, two neutral paths can be created back to the service. Path 2 can end up with lower ohms than path 1.
Path #1 is the normal path from the service to the feeder panel, for example say 125' of #4 AWG copper neutral.
Path #2 is a combination of things for example say 6' of #8 AWG range neutral, connected to the frame of the range, connected to a gas pipe say 30', with bond (or path) back to the service GES.
In IEC terms its a TN-C (typical MGN utility 208Y/120) to TN-C-S (4 wire feeder) back to a TN-C (the range circuit)
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voltage to dump directly to the earth, where the lightning wanted to go anyway.

lol

a big NEGATIVE opposite effect at my son's house a few years ago, having a good ground (ufer) on the house CAUSED a lot of damage
direct lightning strike to 150 ft DFir tree 10 ft from house, big lightning gash in tree down to the roof level of the house, then lightning jumped to the grounded floodlight at the eave - blew the computers and the inverter in the heat pump, NO gash in the tree bark from huse eave level to ground, lightning jumped TO the house vs. continuing down the tree to ground!

An UNGROUNDED house would have had less equipment damage.
That's near to a direct hit and if the lightning bolt had traveled down the tree no one here can say that the charge dissipation wouldn't have traveled from there right through the house and damaged a bunch of stuff anyway.

Single point grounding at a house some distance away may help with mitigating lightning damage, probably much more so with a surge arrestor. But as has been said correctly, NEC grounding requirements do not constitute a lightning protection system. I daresay that while NEC grounding on a typical residential service may provide some small amount of protection against non-direct lightning strikes, it's likely not cost effective for that.
 
One of the "reasons" for grounding systems is supposedly static. Anyone experience real life situations where static build-up is an issue? I'm thinking that would most likely occur in arid and windy locations. Anecdotally, I heard that this was one of the issues the Army faced in the desert which directly resulted in the "invention" of the CEE by Mr. Ufer himself. Something about ammunition storage. Yeah, I could see why you might not want static discharges in ammunition storage buildings.
 
To really clarify it you could hammer the point that Earth grounding by itself, called Peg Grounding, it a known predicable cause of fatalities.


"The primary cause of this accident was improper installation and/or maintenance of the low pressure oil gauge switch box. Contributing to the cause of the accident were the following:

  1. The lack of frame grounding for the junction box.
  2. The existence of phase to ground faults elsewhere in the system.
  3. The practice of grounding the equipment through local grounds or "peg grounds".
The use of earth as the safety grounding system has often been referred to as "peg grounding". This term comes about from the practice of grounding each individual piece of equipment on a property with a separate ground rod, driven into the earth. "Peg grounding" therefore, relies upon the earth to conduct ground fault current. The resistivity of earth varies dramatically from location to location as can be seen from test data and published data and does not come close to the resistivity of copper or steel. This system of safety grounding permits multiple faults to occur and persist on electrical equipment that is in close proximity to one another. When this condition occurs, the only other ingredient for a fatality is a person to come in contact with the equipment that has the faults. When a system is being supplied power from a grounded power system and "peg grounding" is employed, a single ground fault is all that is necessary to initiate a potentially fatal situation. As can be seen from this discussion, "peg grounding" should be avoided at all cost."

I have found and fixed this, including at a site that had annual inspections for exactly this. There are more out there.

Referencing the system to Earth, it is just a reference and not a conductor. Any type of overhead wiring including signaling, telephone wires, in a nearby lightning strike even pretty far away, will pick up an induced Voltage enough to jump plasma through the air. The system Earth reference limits this to much less.

Had that happen to me. Bent down to the concrete floor where my tools and materials were and on a clear blue sky day a plasma ball came out of the box and passed right over my back while I was down at the floor. Saw everything light up blue including the concrete floor, had 1/4" of blue fuzz on it for a few seconds. The circuit was a level controller for a water reservoir at the top on the hill, that ran miles down the hill overhead, to the pump.

The State put a 250k $ electronic level controller on it that never worked. No one knew why but they tried. They had me look at it and I told them I could put a timeclock on it, that would fill the reservoir. Thing came right out of the box I was working on and passed right over me while I was bent down. No suitable Earth reference on those signal, control wires.

There is a way to do it right, but it's a specialty.
 
I wasn't sure if NEC was talking generally or specifically about lightning. I would say that what 99.9% of electricians do is not for lightning purposes and is not a lightning protection system. I would be pretty skeptical that any NEC grounding /bonding would really do much for a lightning event.
Correct, NEC Grounding and bonding would have limited to no effect for direct lightning strike. Look at a typical conductor used for lightning protection. Very different wire, much larger diameter, braided.

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3. The practice of grounding the equipment through local grounds or "peg grounds".
This should not be confused with your GEC and GE required by the NEC in 250. This was and still seems to be somewhat common practice of what the code calls supplemental electrodes, and without providing a proper EGC from the equipment to the circuit source will do nothing and may actually be detrimental to the equipment and a hazard to personnel. One of the more publicly seen issues shown up by this practice is the metal light pole that only has the local Electrode and no EGC, causing shock to persons and notably reported deaths of dogs lifting their leg to the pole.

While this article is correct in it's assessment, it is not clear other than the ultimate danger, and would appear to suggest the system Grounding Electrode would be in the same category as a supplemental electrode, (appears to be what they calling a "peg ground").
 
An example is that in an open neutral situation it will reduce potential between the earth and the service panel. But this only really reduces shock hazard if you're standing right over the electrode.
It has better chance of activating an overcurrent device on medium or high voltage than it does with low voltages.

For low voltages it can help facilitate GFCI tripping though.
 
I would consider your power point presentation to be a smashing success if you get that point across. ;)

The most important thing is the MBJ for a service or the SBJ for a SDS.
I totally agree. In most cases ground reference is already pretty well established by MGN distribution of the utility one more electrode at your service equipment probably has little effect other than maybe during a lightning event at your facility or possibly when a higher voltage somehow contacts a lower voltage line in the distribution system. Your local electrode may not prevent all damages in those instances either but may help lessen it some.
 
I totally agree. In most cases ground reference is already pretty well established by MGN distribution of the utility one more electrode at your service equipment probably has little effect other than maybe during a lightning event at your facility or possibly when a higher voltage somehow contacts a lower voltage line in the distribution system. Your local electrode may not prevent all damages in those instances either but may help lessen it some.
And this actually makes the case for how little the resistance of the grounding electrode system really matters. Many places of the country have lots of ungrounded Delta distribution. Most rural areas in upstate New York where I live are this way. So a building served from these won't have the massive MGN grounded in a zillion places. Instead they will just have an earth connection at the pole, with a good chance that has been cut off and stolen by thieves. That leaves the electrodes at the building as the only Earth connection. My point is I have never noticed an increase in surges, damaged equipment, less reliable operation, or anything negative whatsoever on these systems compared to one served by an MGM with its super low resistance ground.
 
And this actually makes the case for how little the resistance of the grounding electrode system really matters. Many places of the country have lots of ungrounded Delta distribution. Most rural areas in upstate New York where I live are this way. So a building served from these won't have the massive MGN grounded in a zillion places. Instead they will just have an earth connection at the pole, with a good chance that has been cut off and stolen by thieves. That leaves the electrodes at the building as the only Earth connection. My point is I have never noticed an increase in surges, damaged equipment, less reliable operation, or anything negative whatsoever on these systems compared to one served by an MGM with its super low resistance ground.
Does their delta distribution have a shield wire? that would make it a bigger network of electrodes if it does. Of course copper thieves would still impact this.

Haven't noticed or heard of much for copper theft around here when it comes to taking electrode conductors off of poles. Apparently too much work to do that for no more than you might get from each pole? Have had cases of theft from construction sites or even temp laydown yard sites for POCO construction projects here and there though. Easy find when the wire is still on the reels.

Did have one my clients have the "span cable" on center pivot irrigation machine stolen a couple years ago. Doesn't seem like that cable is worth the effort to me, but they actually did catch these people and they were meth heads AFAIK. They didn't really catch them with direct evidence of the case but rather because of another incident with these people and the resulting looking at evidence on their phones showed they were at that location at about the time the theft occurred as well as pictures of other things in that vicinity that ended up being future potential targets for theft. Such as antique items inside an old unoccupied house belonging to same owner that was right nearby where the cable was stolen from.
 
Utilities learned early on to ground their distribution lines otherwise huge arcs would erupt from their generators at the central station. There are reports of generator mechanics getting hit by large arcs just standing nearby. Apparently the voltage gradient over miles of transmission line is huge.

I bet that grounding at the service was required by the utility just due to them being paranoid about previous insufficient grounding.
 
voltage to dump directly to the earth, where the lightning wanted to go anyway.

lol

a big NEGATIVE opposite effect at my son's house a few years ago, having a good ground (ufer) on the house CAUSED a lot of damage
direct lightning strike to 150 ft DFir tree 10 ft from house, big lightning gash in tree down to the roof level of the house, then lightning jumped to the grounded floodlight at the eave - blew the computers and the inverter in the heat pump, NO gash in the tree bark from huse eave level to ground, lightning jumped TO the house vs. continuing down the tree to ground!

An UNGROUNDED house would have had less equipment damage.
This is sudo science no one knows- it’s all a guess-
Junkhounds issue is what I have experience when I see issue.
 
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