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A New York architecture firm Clouds Architecture Office is proposing a design for the world’s tallest building Analemma Tower, which would hang down from the sk

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Arthur C. Clarke raised the possibility of such a structure in Fountains of Paradise. An important consideration is that it would only be possible if it were built directly on the equator. Another is that the asteroid must be in orbit 22,236 miles above mean sea level.

 

[Joethemechanic]

Arthur C. Clarke raised the possibility of such a structure in Fountains of Paradise. An important consideration is that it would only be possible if it were built directly on the equator. Another is that the asteroid must be in orbit 22,236 miles above mean sea level.

Yeah and the mainstream media reports on this pie in the sky kind of stuff like it's reality. STEM education has been lacking for at least 40 years, and most people fall for this kind of stuff. Worse yet you have public policy and money supporting a bunch of hair brained ideas that are never going to work.

I'm not saying that some of these things do not have niche applications. But how many wind turbines and solar panels would it take to power large scale aluminum smelting or EAF steelmaking? And those are probably the best of the green technology

 

[ggunn]

Yeah and the mainstream media reports on this pie in the sky kind of stuff like it's reality. STEM education has been lacking for at least 40 years, and most people fall for this kind of stuff. Worse yet you have public policy and money supporting a bunch of hair brained ideas that are never going to work.

I'm not saying that some of these things do not have niche applications. But how many wind turbines and solar panels would it take to power large scale aluminum smelting or EAF steelmaking? And those are probably the best of the green technology

Nothing changes overnight. In the near to medium term the world's energy needs are going to be supplied by a mosaic of sources - solar, wind, hydro, nuclear fission, hydrogen, and burning fossil fuels. In the long term, fossil fuels will be of necessity phased out because supply will be depleted, so reliance will have to be shifted to other sources and/or demand will need to be reduced, "and" being more likely than "or".

 

[gadfly56]

Arthur C. Clarke raised the possibility of such a structure in Fountains of Paradise. An important consideration is that it would only be possible if it were built directly on the equator. Another is that the asteroid must be in orbit 22,236 miles above mean sea level.

Aptly named a "Clarke orbit" in his honor.

 

[Joethemechanic]

In a vacuum riding on an air cushion

 

[retirede]

Yeah and the mainstream media reports on this pie in the sky kind of stuff like it's reality. STEM education has been lacking for at least 40 years, and most people fall for this kind of stuff. Worse yet you have public policy and money supporting a bunch of hair brained ideas that are never going to work.

I'm not saying that some of these things do not have niche applications. But how many wind turbines and solar panels would it take to power large scale aluminum smelting or EAF steelmaking? And those are probably the best of the green technology

You forgot something….

 

[AC\DC]

It’s a religion. Nothing is ever enough. And their goal post keep kicking down the road. Only way it’s going to change is when we’re in the same situation as Germany and are quack pot ideas, make are energy prices 4 x higher and are pollution higher then before the crazy idea. Hence current Germany.
Nuts.

 

[electrofelon]

It’s a religion. Nothing is ever enough. And their goal post keep kicking down the road. Only way it’s going to change is when we’re in the same situation as Germany and are quack pot ideas, make are energy prices 4 x higher and are pollution higher then before the crazy idea. Hence current Germany.
Nuts.

You forgot something:

 

[ramsy]

Hence current Germany. Nuts.

Everyone except France seems to have leveraged the Fukushima nuclear disaster to shift their energy policy against nuclear-fission reactors, cancel the regulatory-intensive burden of new nuclear developments, and non-renew existing maintenance-intensive reactors. Concerns with nuclear-weapons proliferation from spent fuel theft, and disposal costs may also escalate budget over-runs.

Adversity to regulatory burdens seems to have favored any other option over nuclear reactors.

Fukushima inspired global cost cutting that axed a clean source of energy generation, replacing it with coal or rolling-power outages. Savings in reactor spending was shifted to more tax-credit incentives for solar arrays, renewable-energy programs, and contracts with R&D labs, such as the Fraunhofer Institute for Solar Energy Systems.

The German economy learned the hard way how their state-subsidized R&D partnerships between Fraunhofer and Chinese-production partners result in patent infringement that converts into Chinese global-market dominance.

Fraunhofer patent holders could only try to buy enforcement efforts from local Chinese governors, the same way Bill Gates did before leaving Microsoft. It was a losing battle of whack-a-mole trying to stop counterfeit distributions of Windows software, by buying off local Chinese sheriffs to raid the counterfeit factories.

Today reports of fish around Fukushima have 180 times the legal limit of radioactive cesium, and un-regulated Salmon farms saturate the meat with antibiotics & pesticides. The result is more doctors discouraging their patients from eating fish, since no amount of cooking reduces toxicity, or antibiotic-resistant disease in the meat.

 

[jaggedben]

...I'm not saying that some of these things do not have niche applications. But how many wind turbines and solar panels would it take to power large scale aluminum smelting or EAF steelmaking? And those are probably the best of the green technology

Much less than California or Germany or China already has operating.

Of course, those industrial processes you mention are really the niche applications that require something special. Most solar and wind production goes to general residential and commercial use on the grid.

 

[Joethemechanic]

When I'm talking about niche, I'm talking about this kind of stuff





And then the crazy stuff like wanting to put freight transportation on battery electric trucks riding on pneumatic rubber tires running on asphalt roads. If the goal is to reduce energy consumption rail is the best way to move freight. Moving stuff on rubber tires is just so inefficient.

 

[retirede]

And then the crazy stuff like wanting to put freight transportation on battery electric trucks riding on pneumatic rubber tires running on asphalt roads. If the goal is to reduce energy consumption rail is the best way to move freight. Moving stuff on rubber tires is just so inefficient.

True, until you get to the last few miles where the tracks don’t go. Local-ish deliveries on light to medium sized electric trucks (not semis) starts to make sense.

 

[jaggedben]

And then the crazy stuff like wanting to put freight transportation on battery electric trucks riding on pneumatic rubber tires running on asphalt roads. If the goal is to reduce energy consumption rail is the best way to move freight. Moving stuff on rubber tires is just so inefficient.

Agree with you here. And I don't think people realize how much fuel and carbon emissions are saved by railroads. (Also labor costs.) Railroads should be electrifying though.

 

[Joethemechanic]

Agree with you here. And I don't think people realize how much fuel and carbon emissions are saved by railroads. (Also labor costs.) Railroads should be electrifying though.

I don't always agree with these guys , but they make some good points sometimes. It seems that there was light electric rail freight in some cities into the 1970's



And apparently GG1s were used for freight back in the day

 

[jaggedben]

True, until you get to the last few miles where the tracks don’t go. Local-ish deliveries on light to medium sized electric trucks (not semis) starts to make sense.

You need trailers or containers for efficient intermodal. You don't want the weight of the cab and drivetrain on the trains, nor that economic asset unavailable while in transit. And right now the intermodal freight system relies on trucks for the last hundred miles or so on average, I think. So no, transloading to 2 axle trucks is not going to be the way. More intermodal terminal buildout to shorten that last leg could help. But there's going to be a place for semis.

 

[jaggedben]

I don't always agree with these guys , but they make some good points sometimes. It seems that there was light electric rail freight in some cities into the 1970's

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And apparently GG1s were used for freight back in the day

There's plenty of electric freight rail in other parts of the world.

 

[Joethemechanic]

There's plenty of electric freight rail in other parts of the world.

 

[retirede]

You need trailers or containers for efficient intermodal. You don't want the weight of the cab and drivetrain on the trains, nor that economic asset unavailable while in transit. And right now the intermodal freight system relies on trucks for the last hundred miles or so on average, I think. So no, transloading to 2 axle trucks is not going to be the way. More intermodal terminal buildout to shorten that last leg could help. But there's going to be a place for semis.

Right…I was mostly thinking of the last mile which is only a portion of a container load.

Semis are needed, but with current technology, electric semis don’t make much sense.

 

[Joethemechanic]

Right…I was mostly thinking of the last mile which is only a portion of a container load.

Semis are needed, but with current technology, electric semis don’t make much sense.

Electric truck tractors should work fine for a distribution area of lets say a 25 mile air radius around the rail freight hubs. Batteries could be cut down to a sensible size/weight.

Intermodal freight containers are a very mature technology. They were developed by Malcolm McLean in 1956

 

[retirede]

Electric truck tractors should work fine for a distribution area of lets say a 25 mile air radius around the rail freight hubs. Batteries could be cut down to a sensible size/weight.

Intermodal freight containers are a very mature technology. They were developed by Malcolm McLean in 1956

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Right, I should have said “over-the-road, long-haul electric semis don’t make much sense.”