wiring ranges

[celtic]

Has that happened to you, have you been hired 'to install a range'?

Does that mean you pick it up at the store, truck to the job, bring it inside, install the bracket, install the whip, slide it in place, remove all packing materials and make it ready for use?

Just not something I have ever done even back when I used to do lots of apartments and condos.

You missed out on all the fun!

In large condo build-outs, we will either:
- use composite crews of electricians, plumbers, and HVAC men to distribute the appliances
- each of the the trades above will "hump" ALL the appliances to 1/3 of the job each [ie, electricians bring it all to units 1 - 12; plumbers have 13 - 24; HVAC has 25 - 36]
- each trade is responsible for their "own"...which gets messy considering virtually all appliances will have connections for at least 2 trades.

That's a lot of appliances to move:
DW, W/D, Ref, Stove/cooktops, AHU, GD, WH, etc.

Apprentices love to hump stoves!

 

[infinity]

Has that happened to you, have you been hired 'to install a range'?

Does that mean you pick it up at the store, truck to the job, bring it inside, install the bracket, install the whip, slide it in place, remove all packing materials and make it ready for use?

Just not something I have ever done even back when I used to do lots of apartments and condos.

Yes, I have installed a few ranges for a client who has rental properties. Usually involves removing old hardwired range, installing new receptacle, attaching the cord set, sliding it into place and attaching the bracket. Typically the thing is on site when we get there. I guess when dealing with new receptacles and hardwired existing equipment the delivery guys don't want to (or legally can't) get involved with the installation.

 

[infinity]

In large condo build-outs, we will either:
- use composite crews of electricians, plumbers, and HVAC men to distribute the appliances
- each of the the trades above will "hump" ALL the appliances to 1/3 of the job each [ie, electricians bring it all to units 1 - 12; plumbers have 13 - 24; HVAC has 25 - 36]
- each trade is responsible for their "own"...which gets messy considering virtually all appliances will have connections for at least 2 trades.

I've seen similar setups over the years. Plumbers get the refrigerators if they have a water connection, EC's get the microwaves.

 

[gndrod]

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Yes, I have installed a few ranges for a client who has rental properties. Usually involves removing old hardwired range, installing new receptacle, attaching the cord set, sliding it into place and attaching the bracket. Typically the thing is on site when we get there. I guess when dealing with new receptacles and hardwired existing equipment the delivery guys don't want to (or legally can't) get involved with the installation.

Rob,
I agree, that is the best reason yet. rbj

 

[iwire]

You missed out on all the fun!

In large condo build-outs, we will either:
- use composite crews of electricians, plumbers, and HVAC men to distribute the appliances
- each of the the trades above will "hump" ALL the appliances to 1/3 of the job each [ie, electricians bring it all to units 1 - 12; plumbers have 13 - 24; HVAC has 25 - 36]
- each trade is responsible for their "own"...which gets messy considering virtually all appliances will have connections for at least 2 trades.

That's a lot of appliances to move:
DW, W/D, Ref, Stove/cooktops, AHU, GD, WH, etc.

Apprentices love to hump stoves!

Thats just crazy talk, must be a NJ thing.:smile: Use high paid guys to do labors work, never, ever, ever, seen that done and I used to be directly involved with may condo build outs.

Here whatever company / store gets the contact to supply the appliances also gets the fun of bringing them to the units, honestly many times I am long gone by the time the appliances show up.

 

[iwire]

Yes, I have installed a few ranges for a client who has rental properties. Usually involves removing old hardwired range, installing new receptacle, attaching the cord set, sliding it into place and attaching the bracket. Typically the thing is on site when we get there. I guess when dealing with new receptacles and hardwired existing equipment the delivery guys don't want to (or legally can't) get involved with the installation.

Now that makes much more sense to me (the replacement situation) and in that case I imagine I would install the bracket. :smile:

 

[Pierre C Belarge]

You missed out on all the fun!

In large condo build-outs, we will either:
- use composite crews of electricians, plumbers, and HVAC men to distribute the appliances
- each of the the trades above will "hump" ALL the appliances to 1/3 of the job each [ie, electricians bring it all to units 1 - 12; plumbers have 13 - 24; HVAC has 25 - 36]
- each trade is responsible for their "own"...which gets messy considering virtually all appliances will have connections for at least 2 trades.

That's a lot of appliances to move:
DW, W/D, Ref, Stove/cooktops, AHU, GD, WH, etc.

Apprentices love to hump stoves!

I still see the same thing happening in our area. Haggling over which trade is going to do what and get paid for it.

 

[celtic]

Thats just crazy talk, must be a NJ thing.:smile: Use high paid guys to do labors work, never, ever, ever, seen that done and I used to be directly involved with may condo build outs.

Let's just say there are certain rules that must be adhered to.

 

[celtic]

I still see the same thing happening in our area. Haggling over which trade is going to do what and get paid for it.

That is managements creation.
Details like that can - and should be - ironed out well in advance of the appliance delivery.

 

[LarryFine]

Has that happened to you, have you been hired 'to install a range'?

I have. When asked about 'installing a socket', I ask about each part of the job; whether they've arranged the parts they hadn't thought about, and how much of the total job they'd like me to do. Then I price it.

Does that mean you pick it up at the store, truck to the job, bring it inside, install the bracket, install the whip, slide it in place, remove all packing materials and make it ready for use?

As I said above, I will do whatever they wish to hire me to do. I have a utility trailer, so it's no problem to move appliances. I once transported a 5' by 8' hot tub on the way to wiring it. Hey, we're versatile.

 

[LarryFine]

You missed out on all the fun!

Apprentices love to hump stoves!

...and everything between.

They couldn't afford me for that work. Too many chances to damage walls or door frames, not to mention dropped or damaged appliances.

One, yes. A gaggle, no.

 

[LarryFine]

Now that makes much more sense to me (the replacement situation) and in that case I imagine I would install the bracket. :smile:

"Myagi have hope for you, too."

 

[infinity]

Let's just say there are certain rules that must be adhered to.

Exactly, on big jobs there are many jurisdictional issues to deal with. At one time we had tin knockers installing metal bathroom partitions between the toilets because they were made of sheet metal. As I mentioned before we had installed PO boxes in a post office because apartment mailboxes had electric intercoms in them.

 

[ohm]

While I'm on T & M I've: hung a mirror, hung MW, designed & installed an icemaker in a freezer, installed a range W/ anti-tip device, fixed a leak on a water heater, installed a tankless water heater w/ 1/2" cu sweat fittings, dsigned a HVAC return air system, designed, purchased and installed a whole house stereo system, watched a direct tv install, used unistrut brackets to support a handrail at a bar (damaged during a fight), grade a parking lot for a church, unclogged the fill line for an 80 year old widow (for a bottle of wine).

I love being the boss, I can do anything I want to, anytime I want and I don't have to explain it to anybody.

I'll bet that gets the comments flowing!

 

[ivsenroute]

If your are contracted to install the appliance then you are responsible. The building code actually requires them to be installed.

If there is a general contractor and you are hired just to place the receptacle then communicate with them that you are done and they can now install and level the unit.

 

[celtic]

If there is a general contractor and you are hired just to place the receptacle then communicate with them that you are done and they can now install and level the unit.

Geez....we haven't even figured out who puts the bracket on the wall on, and now you want to discuss leveling the units?

 

[iwire]

If your are contracted to install the appliance then you are responsible. The building code actually requires them to be installed.

Requires what to be installed?

When we walk away from condos, apartments or homes usually there are few installed appliances.

 

[iwire]

Exactly, on big jobs there are many jurisdictional issues to deal with. At one time we had tin knockers installing metal bathroom partitions between the toilets because they were made of sheet metal. As I mentioned before we had installed PO boxes in a post office because apartment mailboxes had electric intercoms in them.

Whatever you gotta do, those types of situations always seemed ridiculous to me.

I do not run into that here.

 

[Ebow]

With the GC's I have worked for it is pretty cut and dried. If it has a wire the electricains install it. I have hung Microwaves, wall fountains, installed anti-tip devices on stoves and some refridgerators (Sub Zero fridges have to have a 2x4 installed above them on the wall to prevent tipping). I have even fastened the DW to the counter top if I connect it after the plummer is done. My boss considers it all part of the job.

Gene
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Remember - Speed Kills and it may not always be you.

 

[quogueelectric]

If your are contracted to install the appliance then you are responsible. The building code actually requires them to be installed.

If there is a general contractor and you are hired just to place the receptacle then communicate with them that you are done and they can now install and level the unit.

I am not contracted to install any appliance. Furnish and install does not enter my domain unless I make money on the furnish part of an appliance. If it is in my contract to furnish the appliance then I make markup on the appliance and will take full responsibility for the install provided I am being paid for the furnishing of the appliance. If not then it sucks to be you when the stove tips over on your tennant.