Wiring recptcl & switch technique -- legal?

[cschmid]

wow I must re think my thought on this issue..I will never do it and I hate servicing a installation like that.. I will literally redo the who box..I used to think some waco only did that and you guys are good electricians..I love stranded wire it is easy to work with and if you need to replace a wire you can and if you want to add a wire you can.. solid sucks in that area..I also have done the leave a little on the end so the wire does not unravel when you bend it around the screw.. but I remember reading that you need to have a terminal on the stranded and since I started doing it that way I like it.. But I am not bidding work and trying to keep costs down, I am going for the best serviceable install I can do..

 

[Dennis Alwon]

I know I may be incorrect but if the device instructions called for 5/8" stripped and someone stripped 3" I would cite 110.3(b) . There are actions the installer can take , It is not personal just a difference of opinion

Will you then fail everyone who strips their wire 3/4"???? Will you measure each install?

 

[stickboy1375]

This thread is just plain silly... :grin:

 

[LawnGuyLandSparky]

Agreed. Someone please land this plane!

 

[M. D.]

This thread is just plain silly... :grin:

Almost as silly as the "Is a switch an outlet thread":smile: though not nearly as long.

 

[lordofpi]

The funny thing is that my question was pretty much answered in the first ten responses or so, and the additional 80 posts were pretty much unrelated, especially once I clarified what it was that I had witnessed. I really can't mock the trivialities though -- after all, I started it And I read it all too.... Thanks for the input, everyone.

 

[electricmanscott]

I really can't mock the trivialities though --

That's good because that is what this forum is about. :wink:

 

[krudos22]

I dont like the idea of looping. Any exposed wire of any sort presents a danger. Regardless if it's in a box or not. Code doesn't need to apply. It's just common sense. You have to expect the worst. You have to make proper pigtails, no matter how little extra time it takes. Be professionals.

Krudos

 

[iwire]

krudos22, Welcome to the forum.

I dont like the idea of looping. Any exposed wire of any sort presents a danger.

We will have to disagree on that, a bare conductor is quite common be it a wire, a terminal or a bus bar. Choosing to work on a 'hot' device without knowing how it was installed is the dangerous move.

Regardless if it's in a box or not. Code doesn't need to apply. It's just common sense.

You did notice this was a code based forum? :grin:

You have to make proper pigtails, no matter how little extra time it takes.

No, we do not have to do what you choose to do.

Be professionals

I am a professional and I have been known to loop. Probably 99% of the active members of this forum are professionals, not many hacks hang out on code forums.

It happens when I do loop I leave the insulation on as much as practicable.

My point here has simply been to challenge the members here to find an actual code cite for what is as you said common sense. Personally I do not think there is a code cite for this.

 

[360Youth]

I am a professional and I have been known to loop. Probably 99% of the active members of this forum are professionals, not many hacks hang out on code forums.

I do so on almost all quad installs and have on the occasional multi-gang switch box with power loops as opposed to pigtails. Just depends on how easily a single device could be removed if necessary.

 

[thxmike]

Grounds are not considered conductors. Grounds do not need to be covered.

Have Fun!

 

[iwire]

Grounds are not considered conductors.

Equipment Grounding Conductors are not considered conductors?

I will have to disagree with that but I do agree they may be bare.

 

[don_resqcapt19]

Looping was required for some circuits by the specs for a major chain drug store...at least it was a couple of years ago.

 

[iaov]

Could be. I pictured it differently. The way I have seen it done is to take the long hot conductor, strip small 3/4" sections and wrap those bare areas around the terminals.

Again I din't see a problem with it but I do hate when I open up a box and have to deal with it. I will usually cut it out and pigtail some leads.

I don't believe this is a code violation either but I hate having to deal with installations like these. I usualy pig tail them too.

 

[KIRKBRO]

strip w/linemans

strip w/linemans

guess I am only one whose dad a long long time ago showed me to smash a #12 with back of linemans then pinch off both sides of the insulation works good doesn't hurt the wire anyone else use this method ???

 

[sparky_magoo]

Almost as silly as the "Is a switch an outlet thread":smile: though not nearly as long.

I agree, and that thread was more interesting.

Let's give it up guys.