Wow. That was a fast inspection, she said.

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Charlie,

Some of the story is troublesome

frizbeedog said:
So I show him where the work was done and before 10 seconds is up he's signing his report and handing it to me and making tracks for the door.

10 seconds ?

frizbeedog said:
So the customers (a receptionist and the dentist's wife, plus one of the dentist's clients) say, "that's it"? The inspector then insured the cutomer "Thats it, these guys do good work. "

When a "civilian" is watching, an inspector has to be aware of how his actions are perceived. . When the customer asks, "That's it ?" the inspector needs to make sure he conveys the concerns of the code in layman's language and even mention things that are confirmed easily such as proper supports, box fill, bonding, proper listed fittings, etc. . He could even explain about redundant grounding in patient care areas.

frizbeedog said:
Then it stuck me how the customer was so surprised by this, like thinking, what just happend?

And I'm thinking now yea, what just happened?

Sounds like the inspector was in and out like a flash.
It doesn't sound good to me.

David
 
Sounds like the inspector was in and out like a flash.
It doesn't sound good to me.


Sounds like the inspector was in and out like a flash.
It sounds good to me.


The contractor is ultimately responsible for the work anyway. The inspection is just for show :grin:

90% of the time here the inspectors take a quick look and BS a little if it's a slow day. They can tell if you know what you are doing.

I have also been turned down for no ground screws at rough in too. I realize that it's one of those simple things they want to see at rough in so now I just do it.
 
220/221 said:
The contractor is ultimately responsible for the work anyway. The inspection is just for show :grin:

You haven't inspected some of the installations that I've seen. . My 8 year old could do a better job than some of these contractors.
 
~Shado~ said:
Oh, I have been called on that in the past.... one time I was in Lakewood or Arvada (cant quite remember) working and dug a ground screw out of my bags and the green had worn off a fair bit...he tagged me on it. I asked him why... 'not a ground screw' he said. I asked him what defines a ground screw... the color green or head and thread... I quickly yanked it out and replaced with new one and gave him old one. He looked at me and threw it on the ground. :mad: Can't please them all I guess.


this brings up a discussion I had with a co-worker about green ground screws!


Where in the code does it say that ground screws HAVE to be green?



250.126 - Identification of wiring device terminals states that DEVICE ground terminals have to green


However 250.148 - Continuity and attachment of equipment grounding conductors to boxes

250.148(c) states that you must use a grounding screw that is used for no other means, but states nothing about the screw must be green!


does anyone have any idea if the screw HAS TO BE green or is that just a misconception? I have always been told that if the manufacturer supplies the screw it must be green, but if you supply it only has to be machine threads and can not be used for any purpose other than grounding.
 
EBFD6 said:
this brings up a discussion I had with a co-worker about green ground screws!


Where in the code does it say that ground screws HAVE to be green?



250.126 - Identification of wiring device terminals states that DEVICE ground terminals have to green


However 250.148 - Continuity and attachment of equipment grounding conductors to boxes

250.148(c) states that you must use a grounding screw that is used for no other means, but states nothing about the screw must be green!


does anyone have any idea if the screw HAS TO BE green or is that just a misconception? I have always been told that if the manufacturer supplies the screw it must be green, but if you supply it only has to be machine threads and can not be used for any purpose other than grounding.

Seems like there could be a reference from 250.148(C) back to 250.126. That would help to clarify to anyone not sure. :smile:
 
Where in the code does it say that ground screws HAVE to be green?

It doesn't, this has been a myth that I feel came from a misunderstanding of section 250.126 as you pointed out.

Chris
 
raider1 said:
It doesn't, this has been a myth that I feel came from a misunderstanding of section 250.126 as you pointed out.

Chris


I agree. I hear this one quite often too.
 
georgestolz said:
Who says ground screws have to be in at the rough? ;)
George, I hate to say this, but, my office requires ground screws or pigtails at time of rough inspection :roll: . Now, if you install a screw only, you'll pass rough inspection. That still doesn't gaurantee that you'll use it at trrim time. Unless I pull a cover. Then there's the self grounding devices. You see, being an inspector is very stressfull :smile:
 
~Shado~ said:
Oh, I have been called on that in the past.... one time I was in Lakewood or Arvada (cant quite remember) working and dug a ground screw out of my bags and the green had worn off a fair bit...he tagged me on it. I asked him why... 'not a ground screw' he said. I asked him what defines a ground screw... the color green or head and thread... I quickly yanked it out and replaced with new one and gave him old one. He looked at me and threw it on the ground. :mad: Can't please them all I guess.


That gave me a good laugh,...THANKS. I have seen annual walk throughs in a State facility that consisted of tripping GFCI's and testing eggress. Never mind the main was 2ft. away from an 8' tall stainless reach in. The reach in had been there for almost twenty years.:rolleyes:
 
The Reason I Brought This Up

The Reason I Brought This Up

charlie b said:
I understand the difference between a ?drive by inspection? and a dedicated effort to verify full compliance. In a very real sense, I deal with the same type of thing every day, in the engineering design world. The ?inspection? in my case would be a second check or QC review of a design document, and the inspection effort can range from ?Well I trust you because you have always done good work? to ?I plan on checking every ?i" and every ?t? to verify the dots and crosses are in place.

But I do not understand the issue or question on this specific example. This is not a residence, so the requirements for number and spacing of receptacles do not apply. This is not one of the non-dwelling unit applications that would require GFCI, so there is no need for the inspector to verify that the GFCI actually does trip. This is not a hospital, so there are no requirements for separation of life safety and equipment branches. Indeed, I can think of very few opportunities for a code violation to have taken place. I can believe it would take no more than a quick glance at the work, a glance up from the clipboard, a glance that you might not have seen happen, for an inspector to satisfy himself or herself that no violations exist.

Charlie. Charlie. Charlie.

You just stepped in it my freind. And I'm sorry if frizbeedog made poo poo on your lawn.

You seem to indicate. No, you flat out said right here, that only certain items need to be inpspected. Heaven forbid anyone would get the idea that all that other silly stuff the code refers to is not important, that it's not life safety stuff. Heck we should just throw it all out.

If you don't understand the issue of this question or example I will elaborate.

I've never met this guy before (the inspector that is). So he did'nt know me from Adam.

We have had to hire electricians for our shop that turned out to be real knucleheads. One of them was actually surprised you could'nt have an open splice in the wall! My jaw nearly hit the floor. Him, among others quickly get weeded out. But my point is: What have they been doing on their installs while they were waiting to get found out?

I would hope that an inspector, if he says he respects our company the way he says he does and has not met me before would check me out. look things over closely.

In this very space I was remodeling I found open splices in the ceiling. Granted, these were not installed by our company. But had one of those knuckleheads been on that job it would have been missed.

If after an inspetor and I get to know each other and and build a reputaion over time, then fine. A sign of respect. That's great. Until then give me and my customers the time of day.

Otherwise don't waste my time. I'll just phone it in, beter yet I could take pictures with my camera phone and send it to the inspector's phone. He would'nt even have to leave the office.

My customers have an investment in their property. They hire reputable contracors, pay all the appropriate taxes and fees. Give them a real assurance of safety and compliance with applicable codes for goodnes sake.

The inspection is not just for me or what you or someone else thinks is important or not important. My customer thinks it is.

Five minutes. More than enough time.:smile:
 
Wait.....you are complaining that you got an easy inspecytor that trusted you do do your job?


I don't get it.


Green = good





you flat out said right here, that only certain items need to be inpspected


Realistically, only certain items CAN be inspected.

Is it even possible to inspect every jb, switch, outlet and fixture? If he looks at two JB's and skips 20 is that good enough? He eyeballed the work and it looked professionally installed. I would consider that a good thing.
 
I knew someone would bark at me for that.

I knew someone would bark at me for that.

220/221 said:
Wait.....you are complaining that you got an easy inspecytor that trusted you do do your job?

You shouldn't read things that I did'nt say. I am not complaining. I know I do good work and would love to phone it in. Notice how I reference my customer and their impressions The next day she was wondering who's palms were being greased down at good ole city hall.

Take a deep breath. You'll be ok. :smile:
 
I am not complaining.


You were clearly complaining about the inspectors poor performance.

I don't need to take a breath. I'm not the one ranting about a green tag :grin:

My inspector Thursday walked up, took a quick glance at 1000' of undergound and signed off. I was happy as heck that he didn't look at every foot of trench.....especially the 100' that had to be hand dug.;)
 
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220/221 said:
You were clearly complaining about the inspectors poor performance.

I don't need to take a breath. I'm not the one ranting about a green tag :grin:

My inspector Thursday walked up, took a quick glance at 1000' of undergound and signed off. I was happy as heck that he didn't look at every foot of trench.....especially the 100' that had to be hand dug.;)

Good Job. :grin:

I'm ranting? We do have a tendancy to overstate things.

Next customer please.
 
Move along, nothing tho see here

Move along, nothing tho see here

georgestolz said:
Man, we can get in fistfights over some inane topics around here.... :)

Thanx for all the responses.

Elvis has left the building.

P.S. Frizbeedog is always happy. :grin: :grin: :grin:
 
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