Wye Delta starter feeder sizing

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Jraef

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... The other thing noted on the ones we ran is they have a large set of bleed off resistors inside that are used at the transition point. ...
For those who are unfamiliar with this concept, the resistors are indicative of a different variant of Wye Delta starter called a "Closed Transition" starter. The resistors are tied in using a 4th contactor during that transition to absorb the potential HUGE spike in current that can take place in an open transition. That's the dirty little secret of Wye-Delta starting; it usually doesn't really reduce the MAGNITUDE of the starting current peak, in fact it can actually make it worse, upwards of 2000% of FLA. All it really does is to decrease the DURATION of the current spike because the motor is already spinning. So when the load has a possibility of significantly showing down during that open transition and the residual magnetism in the motor core makes it a generator that is out of phase with the Delta re-connection, that high current spike can then create a torque spike that is known to damage loads and even the motors themselves. I have had two cases where motor shafts have sheared off, one on a 500HP Toshiba motor on a refrigeration screw compressor. So the Closed Transition variant has the resistors absorb that spike of current rather than the motor. The funny part is, a Solid State Soft Stater is ALWAYS less expensive than a Closed Transition Wye-Delta starter. So the people who chose Open Transition Y-D over RVSS are basically gambling that the little bit they save by going Y-D might be seriously offset by having to switch to Closed Transition, and they will usually not realize it until AFTER something breaks!
 

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Outstanding

Outstanding

Jraef, fantastic Tech info as usual.
Always appreciated to hear the finer details.

Sincerely

Warren
 

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The ampacity of the conductors between the controller and the motor are a minimum of 72% of the FLA (58%*125%) not 58%. {430.22(C)}
 

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The ampacity of the conductors between the controller and the motor are a minimum of 72% of the FLA (58%*125%) not 58%. {430.22(C)}
True... but still 58% of the controller supply conductor's minimum ampacity. :D

58% FLA * 125% = 72% FLA = 125% FLA * 58%
 
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