xfmr question?

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steveng

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a 30 kva 3 phase xfmr, 480 primary and 120/208 y secondary will carry
how many amps @ 120vac? used as receptacle loads some computers.
 

kalanjeya

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So simple !

If you search in this forum, u may get more.

The formula is here ,

single phase current = Tranformer capacity in VA / 1.732*208

Now u can calculate...

For loading of this transformer you can consider 180 VA per receptacle and for computer also you can consider around 200 VA as load.....


You can calculate now
 

celtic

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NJ
kalanjeya said:
So simple !


The formula is here ,

single phase current = Tranformer capacity in VA / 1.732*208

VA/(1.732*208) would be more accurate, no?
 

steveng

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thanks a lot, the formulas some times trip me up!
30000 / 208 * 1.732 = 249amps

30000 / 120 * 1.732 = 433 amps

would the 433 be the max load for this xfmr?
 

kalanjeya

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No ,

249 A what u arrrived is a single phase load . But this is a full load amps. For efficient loading , consider 80% of 249 A.

This way you can add 3 numbers ( 80% of 249 A) on each phase.

The way u arrived 433 A is wrong here.
 

rattus

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Easy way:

Easy way:

I find it confusing to compute the "sum" of the line currents which strictly speaking add to zero. I prefer to compute the current of one leg, to wit:

Each leg of the wye can deliver 10KVA. Then the max current per leg is,

Imax = 10KVA/120V = 83A (line current)

This is true irrespective of the load configuration.

No need to worry about 208V and 1.73.
 

kalanjeya

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rattus said:
I find it confusing to compute the "sum" of the line currents which strictly speaking add to zero.

Rattus , this is not mathematical current , the SUM you said is vector current.

When you have 30 KVA three phase transformer, it is capable of load to 3 numbers of 30 KVA single phase load .
 

rattus

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I know that!

I know that!

kalanjeya said:
Rattus , this is not mathematical current , the SUM you said is vector current.

When you have 30 KVA three phase transformer, it is capable of load to 3 numbers of 30 KVA single phase load .

I understand that perfectly, but there is no place one can measure three times the line current in the system, therefore I prefer to think in terms of individual line currents.

A similar discussion arose not long ago where an interim result yielded 831V in a 480V system although the final calculation was correct.

Now, it is is perfectly alright to add power, real or apparent, in this way.
 

steveng

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thanks a mill for the answers, everytime you guys help me out, i appreciate it... sometimes when i try to calculate the formula i get confused with the calculator, i bet im not the only one. lol::wink:
 

celtic

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NJ
don_resqcapt19 said:
Steve,

That is not correct. It should be 30,000/ (208 * 1.73) and then the answer is 83.37 amps. You are doing (30,000/208) * 1.73.

Don

I thought I was losing what's left of my mind last night when I posted this:
celtic said:
VA/(1.732*208) would be more accurate, no?

Thank you Don.
 

Smart $

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Location
Ohio
don_resqcapt19 said:
Steve,

That is not correct. It should be 30,000/ (208 * 1.73) and then the answer is 83.37 amps. You are doing (30,000/208) * 1.73.

Don
Not that there is anything wrong with that method, I prefer to calculate available line current on a 208Y/120 system as:
30,000VA ? (120V ? 3) = 83.33...A (i.e. 83 1/3 Amperes)​
This stems only from the fact that the 208 voltage is rounded, whereas the 120 voltage is not...
120V ? √3 = 207.846V​

However, on a 480Y/277 system, the 277 voltage is the one that is rounded...
(480V ? √3 = 277.128V)​
...so I calculate available line current as, for example:
30,000VA ? (480V ? √3) = 36.084A​

The one constant through all my calculations, if I'm doing it on a scientific calculator, is that I always use √3 opposed to 1.73 or 1.732. The number of keys pressed is usually the same or less.
 

celtic

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Smart $ said:
Not that there is anything wrong with that method, I prefer to calculate available line current ...

That's the beauty of math:
As long as you have correct formula or correct variation of the formula, the answer will be the same.

Here is little chart from the [Useful Formulas] link;

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]For 208 volts x 1.732, use 360[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica] For 230 volts x 1.732, use 398[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica] For 240 volts x 1.732, use 416[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica] For 440 volts x 1.732, use 762[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica] For 460 volts x 1.732, use 797[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica] For 480 Volts x 1.732, use 831

[/FONT]
Much simpler and less keys to press :)
 

rattus

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Too much precision:

Too much precision:

Smart $ said:
Not that there is anything wrong with that method, I prefer to calculate available line current on a 208Y/120 system as:
30,000VA ? (120V ? 3) = 83.33...A (i.e. 83 1/3 Amperes)​
This stems only from the fact that the 208 voltage is rounded, whereas the 120 voltage is not...
120V ? √3 = 207.846V​

However, on a 480Y/277 system, the 277 voltage is the one that is rounded...
(480V ? √3 = 277.128V)​
...so I calculate available line current as, for example:
30,000VA ? (480V ? √3) = 36.084A​

The one constant through all my calculations, if I'm doing it on a scientific calculator, is that I always use √3 opposed to 1.73 or 1.732. The number of keys pressed is usually the same or less.

Smart, it is pointless to compute these results beyond 3 significant figures.
 
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