I was called to a residence after a "home inspection" report indicated a few problems. This report indicated that the "Ground" and "Neutrals" were terminated to the same bar and needed to be separated. This was an old XO panel I was working with at this location. As funny as it sounds, it was next to impossible to isolate the two. Furthermore, various 12 gauge wires were fed off the main lugs, 2 pole 30 amp breakers, etc. There is no room for a subpanel. I tried and tried to sell them a new panel, etc., but the situation allowed for a pretty hefty price, and they have now opted for me to correct the existing panel. My dillemma: where are these breakers available at a decent price...has anyone else come across a situation like this?
XO Panel
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al hildenbrand
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- Minnesota
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- Electrical Contractor, Electrical Consultant, Electrical Engineer
Re: XO Panel
Sounds like there is time for a shipping delay.
Go to eBay or Google and type in "Square D XO" and hit enter.
You'll have lots of choices.
Sounds like there is time for a shipping delay.
Go to eBay or Google and type in "Square D XO" and hit enter.
You'll have lots of choices.
allenwayne
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Re: XO Panel
Save the time on ebay.They have 1pole 15`s for $9.95 + shipping and no XO panels at all
Save the time on ebay.They have 1pole 15`s for $9.95 + shipping and no XO panels at all
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- Wisconsin
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- PE (Retired) - Power Systems
Re: XO Panel
The Square D XO panel was replaced by the QO line in the late 50's. Square D continued to sell replacement breakers for several more years, then sold the rights to Cutler Hammer. CH made XO breakers through the late 70', but I don't think they ever made a panel.
My question, why did the the original installation need to be corrected? Just because a home inspector said so, or because an AHJ required it?
The Square D XO panel was replaced by the QO line in the late 50's. Square D continued to sell replacement breakers for several more years, then sold the rights to Cutler Hammer. CH made XO breakers through the late 70', but I don't think they ever made a panel.
My question, why did the the original installation need to be corrected? Just because a home inspector said so, or because an AHJ required it?
Re: XO Panel
I have no intention of correcting the neutral and grounds terminating to the same bar, especially since only three wires feed the panel anyway. However, the 12 gauge wires off the main lug are a MUST to be corrected. The homeowner is selling the house and wants the minimum amount of work and money to be spent.
I have no intention of correcting the neutral and grounds terminating to the same bar, especially since only three wires feed the panel anyway. However, the 12 gauge wires off the main lug are a MUST to be corrected. The homeowner is selling the house and wants the minimum amount of work and money to be spent.
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- Lockport, IL
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- Semi-Retired Electrical Engineer
Re: XO Panel
As to the other problem, is there any chance that these old breakers had been listed for having more than one wire connected?
Presuming this is the main panel, where the neutral bus and ground bus are supposed to be bonded anyway, why is there a problem with neutral and ground wires terminating on the same bus? I would call this aspect a non-issue.
As to the other problem, is there any chance that these old breakers had been listed for having more than one wire connected?
allenwayne
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Re: XO Panel
I bet the added 20 a #12 cts were for fridge,micro`s.S.A. cts.or window shaker a/c`s.As said see what loads are on other breakers and pigtail and tie in.Sounds like there is a tight wadd that would rather T + M himself and get it 1/2 *** corected.Rather than do it right snd would probabbly save $$$.So go for the throat and T + M him to death
I bet the added 20 a #12 cts were for fridge,micro`s.S.A. cts.or window shaker a/c`s.As said see what loads are on other breakers and pigtail and tie in.Sounds like there is a tight wadd that would rather T + M himself and get it 1/2 *** corected.Rather than do it right snd would probabbly save $$$.So go for the throat and T + M him to death
mdshunk
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Re: XO Panel
I save a few of the cherry looking XO breakers (and other weird or old brands) from service upgrades. You never know when you'll need one when you're in a jam. I give them away as freebies, since I can't bring myself to charge for a used breaker that I rightly probably shouldn't install anyhow. No paper trail. Bill shows labor only.
I have some old Square D plug on breakers that are not XO or QO. The supply house never was able to identify them for me. I ought to post a picture of some of them one day soon to see if someone knows what they are.
I save a few of the cherry looking XO breakers (and other weird or old brands) from service upgrades. You never know when you'll need one when you're in a jam. I give them away as freebies, since I can't bring myself to charge for a used breaker that I rightly probably shouldn't install anyhow. No paper trail. Bill shows labor only.
I have some old Square D plug on breakers that are not XO or QO. The supply house never was able to identify them for me. I ought to post a picture of some of them one day soon to see if someone knows what they are.
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- Wisconsin
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- PE (Retired) - Power Systems
Re: XO Panel
md,
They are probably old MO breakers if they look like they plug onto tubular bus. The MO was usually built in a "4 pack" design.
If they look like QO but twice the width and with a fatter knob they would be A1B but these would be bolt-on types.
And for real wierd stuff, there used to be a QF fusible unit that plugged into a QO panel. These used type SC fuses.
md,
They are probably old MO breakers if they look like they plug onto tubular bus. The MO was usually built in a "4 pack" design.
If they look like QO but twice the width and with a fatter knob they would be A1B but these would be bolt-on types.
And for real wierd stuff, there used to be a QF fusible unit that plugged into a QO panel. These used type SC fuses.
mdshunk
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- Right here.
Re: XO Panel
Yep, I've got several of them still, brand new in the box. Real handy for starting motors.
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