Yup. Upstate NY here little/no licensing, few/no permits, third party joke inspections if at all. No way I can make the kind of money many of you are talking about here. That's why I travel to and work in Seattle so much, and you thought your commute was bad.We didn’t have inspections until about 10 years ago, competing against carpenters, plumbers and everything else. That’s why I drive 70+ miles a day to make a living.