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I used to think that stubbing out for a condenser directly above where the condensing lines come out was a fool proof method to insure my disc. would end up to one side or the other of the unit.
I know now after 25 years that nothing in this trade is "fool" proof.
 
the last one I did came from the panel and I had to rake the rock back, roll up the weed mat and bury in some 1/2 in ridgid steal was a real pain in the a--..It looks nice and should wheather the seasons quite well..
 
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Looks like whoever moved it usually does commercial work.

Nobody noticed the grey cover on the white FS box, which might I add is screwed in way too tight? I go mental over that stuff
 
Mr.Sparkle said:
Nobody noticed the grey cover on the white FS box, which might I add is screwed in way too tight? I go mental over that stuff
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I was going to mention that the Inuse cover was not installed. I did not want to take attention away from the reason I posted this.


Forget code, I have been around long enough to know that this install is unprofessional. Yet, as many people do not see it as so, and some inspectors barely look at it, this type of installation keeps on going.
 
I notice one thing that really stands out to me aside from the electrical. Look at the vinyl siding. It has some odd taper cut into it. Very strange. As I am a licensed builder in addition to electrician, this would give me pause. Did the masons not build the foundation level? Or were the morons installing the siding a little off level? Indicators like this lead one to believe they screwed this up, so I can only guess what else is wrong. (Oh wait, we have electrical issues :) )

c2500
 
Oh, look at the windows. The one that is fully visible is higher up than the one that is partially visible. Was this a national builder house by chance?:roll:

c2500
 
c2500 said:
I notice one thing that really stands out to me aside from the electrical. Look at the vinyl siding. It has some odd taper cut into it. Very strange. As I am a licensed builder in addition to electrician, this would give me pause. Did the masons not build the foundation level? Or were the morons installing the siding a little off level? Indicators like this lead one to believe they screwed this up, so I can only guess what else is wrong. (Oh wait, we have electrical issues :) )

c2500
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My money's on this is a remodel, not new construction.
 
Ive had so many builders tell me in the past that they want the disco hidden. They would say why does it hae to be out in the open like that? And sometimes Im sure they come across a EC that doesnt know any better and does what the HO or Builder wants. and voiala thats what you get. And when I say EC I mean a young apprentice put in charge of a finish.
 
quogueelectric said:
Obviously the EC put his disco in first so in my opinion the hvac contractor has to move .
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I totally agree, so often, people like the OP is quick to judge an installation without first questioning how it was possible that it happened. You are without a doubt 100% correct. EC installed disconnect first and HVAC makes him look like an idiot. Just wish people would realize the situation.
 
Pierre C Belarge said:
Take a look at the receptacle to the right of the condensor - there is no Inuse cover.
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I can't say I'm terribly bothered by that. Yes, it's a code violation, but what is worse, a cover that snaps closed, or a cover that snaps off?

Maybe the widespread use of cheesy in use covers is the impetus behind the receptacle weather resistant requirement? ;)
 
While we are on the subject, how do you comply with working space requirements on an air handler crammed into a tiny closet with no where to mount the disco except on the wall halfway behind the side of the unit?

Although I see most air handlers now have intregal breakers, eliminating the need for a disco.
 
chevyx92 said:
I totally agree, so often, people like the OP is quick to judge an installation without first questioning how it was possible that it happened. You are without a doubt 100% correct. EC installed disconnect first and HVAC makes him look like an idiot. Just wish people would realize the situation.
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Do you really think the HVAC guy moved it? I have my doubts because of the pipe bending.

Also, disconnects for an air handler? I have always used a 2 pole switch.
 
Mr.Sparkle said:
Do you really think the HVAC guy moved it? I have my doubts because of the pipe bending.
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That "pipe bending" is exactly why I would expect it to have been done by the HVAC guy, why would an electrician with a bender in hand waste a pulling L when they could just bend a 90? that pipe loolks like crap, they should put the box where the penetration in the siding is, and run a little longer flex to the unit.
 
c2500 said:
I notice one thing that really stands out to me aside from the electrical. Look at the vinyl siding. It has some odd taper cut into it. Very strange. As I am a licensed builder in addition to electrician, this would give me pause. Did the masons not build the foundation level? Or were the morons installing the siding a little off level? Indicators like this lead one to believe they screwed this up, so I can only guess what else is wrong. (Oh wait, we have electrical issues :) )

c2500
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Not all of mother earth is as flat as Kansas...when not on a level lot, some homeowners prefer to have the siding follow the grade. Pretty ugly sometimes...
 
anything can be level with a bulldozer..I never even picked up on the siding or the window until 2500 said something..I did pickup on the crushed siding..I can see some repairs coming..
 
peter d said:
I can't say I'm terribly bothered by that. Yes, it's a code violation, but what is worse, a cover that snaps closed, or a cover that snaps off?

Maybe the widespread use of cheesy in use covers is the impetus behind the receptacle weather resistant requirement? ;)
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I agree, I would rather see a cover that will still be on the receptacle after 1 month then no cover because it broke off the first time someone tried to open it.

Chris
 
augie47 said:
Installer should get his inspector's certification prior to making such statements :smile: . IMHO, the unit also needs to comply with 110.26 if not
more so than the disconnect. From KentAT's post, it appears that the service panel on this particular unit is on the right side, so here they are possibly saved.
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I disagree. The fact that the disconnect is there ( behind the AC unit ) means it must have the working clearance even if it is not need there. Just the same as a J box needs working clearance in front of it.

I spend a lot of effort to find out where the AC condenser is going to go, then I mount my disconnect at roughly 60'' above grade so when the HAVOC installer comes in and puts the unit in front of my disconnect I am at least clear to open it and look in. The only way to get the disconnect where it should be is learn to install the AC unit also then you can get them both correct. :grin: This is one of the most unenforced issues I see on new homes.
 
This is not a thread hijack.

This is not a thread hijack.

peter d said:
I can't say I'm terribly bothered by that. Yes, it's a code violation, but what is worse, a cover that snaps closed, or a cover that snaps off?

Maybe the widespread use of cheesy in use covers is the impetus behind the receptacle weather resistant requirement? ;)
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Those cheap in-use covers that stick way out become a foot rest for some dope later. The only way to go is the Arlington "thru box"
 
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