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Security101

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Northern Indiana
Just for clarity, I think this is about a livestock electic fence shocker and not a "pet fence" as I don't believe they make one for pet's.

Most farms with livestock have these and they have been used around people for years with no notable effects that I'm aware of...

As he is an engineer, I wonder if it was properly grounded :D

Jim
 

iwire

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Location
Massachusetts
Let us know what you think - I truly am curious.

Nope, not under the ridiculously exaggerated conditions you set up. :smile:

Sanity check for the posters believing this attrocious, deadly trap set by the vicious vigillante was immoral and illegal.

In a nutshell, my personal opinion is I think it is wrong to intentionally try to hurt someone over a item like a free paper sign. :smile:
 

resistance

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Location
WA
It could be worse, you could be from King County, WA. Rat traps are illegal. Against the law to shoot ferral cats. And as I understand, although not tested in court, it is likely illegal to tie up your dog. My buddy - lives near Kirkland, is telling me this. Says the laws came in on a poorly worded innitiative. I was sure he was just screwing with me - always telling me how lucky I am to live in paradise. A couple of weeks ago there is an article in our local paper confirming. According to the article, areas of King County are being overrun with ferral cats.

Bob, tell us true, is MA worse than that?

carl

A lot of what you said is true!:rolleyes:
 

mattsilkwood

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Location
missouri
you know one thing that i absolutely hate is a thief. does it matter if it was a paper sign or your wifes jewlry collection? imo no it does not. it was his property no matter how insignificant it was. i firmly believe that the man has a right to protect his property because it plainly stated in the article that the local police wont. to the best of my knowledge no one has ever been seriously injured by an electric fence. i too grew up in the country and have had more than a few encounters with one.

as for teaching the kid a lesson, i doubt it, it sounds like his parents are teaching that this kind of behavior is acceptable.

also on a side thought how about this.
say your wife is walking to her car and some thug tries to steal it so she hits him with pepper spay or a stun gun.
so is she now a vigilante because she tried to protect her property?

thoughts please.
 

resistance

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Location
WA
so on a side thought how about this.
say your wife is walking to her car and some thug tries to steal it so she hits him with pepper spay or a stun gun.
so is she now a vigilante because she tried to protect her property?
Are you serious?! Obviously you don't see the difference!

Try:
pre?med?i?tat?ed
Characterized by deliberate purpose, previous consideration, and some degree of planning.
 

76nemo

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Location
Ogdensburg, NY
Wha!!!!!!!!

Wha!!!!!!!!

I was cruising around here not logged in until I saw this!!!!!

#1. They do make one for pets, my buddy just put one in and I never looked at the specs, so I can't say much more. What if a young one comes over and touches it??? Think the UL would allow a fence of the sort not protected by an outer fence?

#2. I AM ABSOLUTELY FLOORED AT HOW LIBERAL SOME OF YOU ARE!!!!!:mad:

You not having the right to "booby trap" something is one thing, but *** **** it, you don't have the right to touch what's not yours either! I am floored by some of the responses here. That sign was in HIS yard, you have NO right to touch it, only to view it.

Now, to side with the rest of you softies, the yard should of been fenced off in order to make this right, but then again, why should he of had to gone to that extent??? There should of been a sign saying the sign was energized to cover his *ss, but the truth is, is that is the only thing that would of made this story better, because that sign only would of invited more dumb*ss' to try to steal the sign!

You are all right saying there could of been an unforseen electrical issue, but I think you don't admit to the point that a landownwer has rights and the privacy to his/her own land.

I am going to keep this short. I can't remember who said they put an electrical barrier of 120V's at their cat door, but someone said,..."If you kill a human, I hope you would be charged". That's TOTAL BS!!!!! It's one thing to knock on someone's door, but no one has the right to go sticking their hand into a pets entrance!!!

I sleep on the couch, with a Mossberg 12 ga. shotgun loaded with 3" #4 buck under it. You go sticking your hand in through my pets entrance, jiggle my door handle, or I find you in my garage,....YOU WILL BE MISSING ONE, IF NOT TWO KNEE CAPS!!!!!:mad::mad:

HO's have rights, you stay on your side of the sidewalk, I'll stay on mine. You come into mine not invited, probably not much good will follow. I paid for my land, it is mine. It is NOT public property. You are welcome if I invite you.

People stealing political signs, .....how pathetic has this world come to??????

I don't care if you live in the city. Don't touch what's mine. What if the HO's Mustang was in the yard, does the innocent kid, even though he doesn't know any better have the right to try and swing from the side view mirror??? It was parked in his front yard, honest mistake right, even though you told him not to play near the car 3-4 times????

No, that wouldn't be right, he could fall and break his back. Poor kid,,,,,where was the Father?


GRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

coulter

Senior Member
Nope, not under the ridiculously exaggerated conditions you set up. :smile: ...
Yes, certainly exaggerated.

...In a nutshell, my personal opinion is I think it is wrong to intentionally try to hurt someone over a item like a free paper sign. :smile:
And I agree. However, I don't think this was about that. I truly suspect this was about continued vandalism and fighting a twisted belief that it's okay to subvert one's 1 Amendment rights.

carl
 

ceb58

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Location
Raeford, NC
Good for the man who put the charger on the sign.:grin: We need more people like that, if we did, the country wouldnt be in the shape it is in.:mad: The kids father saying "he just wanted to see how it was put together" BULL HONKEY!!! The kid was trying to steal the sign. Pranking someone is one thing, but when pranking, your are subject to attack yourself....AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED HERE!!! Truth be known, the kids father probobaly put him up to doing it. If a kid of mine got caught doing something like this, or got shocked, well son you deserved it....Parents running around playing cleanup for their kids....THE KIDS NEED TO LEARN TO DEAL WITH THE RESULTS OF THEIR OWN ACTIONS!!!!

Thank You.
I have worked in the prison system for almost 20 years. Over the years the age of the general population coming to prison has been getting younger. When you talk to some of these guys they will tell you they dont care about you, me or any one else because they were never tought respect for any one or any thing.
When my oldest son was around 5 we were shopping and he wanted some toy. I told him he could not have it. Later that afternoon I saw him playing with the toy he wanted in the store. I ask where he got it from after some sidestepping the subject he told me he had just put in it his pocket. I explained that what he had done was stealing and took him to the woodshed. I then put him in the car and took him and the toy back to the store and made him tell the manager what he had done and apologize. I think it hurt him more than the spanking. And as far as I know, 19 years later, he has not shoplifted again.
You can agree or disagree with the method the HO used. The point is did a small shock teach the kid any thing about messing around with other peoples property or did it teach him daddy thinks it ok and will back me up every time I do wrong.
 

ItsHot

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2011 NEC article

2011 NEC article

Nope, not under the ridiculously exaggerated conditions you set up. :smile:



In a nutshell, my personal opinion is I think it is wrong to intentionally try to hurt someone over a item like a free paper sign. :smile:
I agree! I can see the new requirement in the 2011 nec...all campaign yard signs energized must be ground fault protected!!:-?
 

76nemo

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Location
Ogdensburg, NY
"A little free paper sign",...is NOT the issue. The issue is not so much the freedom of speech, but the fact that the sign was in YOUR yard. A yard that you paid for with your own hard earned money that only you have the right to. Those rights mean NO one is to trespass or damage what is yours!!!:mad::mad::mad:
 
They say tazers are almost harmless but a kid had a heart attack due to tazor shock and died, something to think about, Would you like to be responcable for that? One tenth of an amp can kill you dead. Thanks you guys Thats why I like this form:grin:
 

76nemo

Senior Member
Location
Ogdensburg, NY
They say tazers are almost harmless but a kid had a heart attack due to tazor shock and died, something to think about, Would you like to be responcable for that? One tenth of an amp can kill you dead. Thanks you guys Thats why I like this form:grin:


Maybe his Father should of told him not to waive a knife in front of a police officer Chief:rolleyes:

Not the same scenario, but are you saying that person DIDN'T have a legit reason to get pulsed?????
 

mxslick

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Location
SE Idaho
I didn't know the conversation would get this out of hand! :rolleyes:

I agree, this is in danger of being closed...maybe it should be.

I will state that the shocker on the sign isn't the solution I would choose, but I do agree that the kid deserved to get nailed for stealing. He needs to learn respect for others property and he was lucky he wasn't met with a more lethal force.
 

76nemo

Senior Member
Location
Ogdensburg, NY
I am over and out on this thread. I got a little too disturbed. I really respect what I own. Enough said.

I am off to the Engineering chapter:wink:

Sorry I got so h*ll bent. Just don't go touching my personal property. It IS my property, leave it ALONE:wink:
 

tonyou812

Senior Member
Location
North New Jersey
I would have just set up a camera and be done with it. Once you know who it is you can get them for tresspassing. What a knuckle head! You would think an engineer (someone that is educated) would know right from wrong.
 
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