Mr.Sparkle
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Only partitions going up, power is only needed along the wall. I seem to be around the 2k mark for this job, sound right?
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Mr.Sparkle
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yeah i realized that after i wrote it down thanks :wink:
electricalperson
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isnt most cubicles set up to be fed from a 3 phase 4 wire circuit anyway
one neutral and 3 sperate phases for receptacles
one neutral and 3 sperate phases for receptacles
mattsilkwood
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i have worked for guys like that, i tell them why i would like to upsize, bigger pipe/ spares for future use, more circuits for heaters and such. if he still dosent want to do it ok then you get to do it all over again in a month or two.
peter d
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You're kidding right? :-?
You've left at least a half dozen considerations off that list.
growler
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With only one little work area and one extra circuit needed this probably isn't going to make much difference. But for all the people that say they give the customer what he needs then think of this, the same problem occurs in most office buildings.
You may do a single office with 50-60 employees and that means 50-60 cubicles, do you want to give each employee and extra circuit so they can run a space heater. You don't know which employees will bring in the space heaters so that's what you would have to do to provide enough power for the possibilities of these heaters. And you are not going to run all those extra circuits for $46 ea. either. If the want to power up all those space heaters it's going to cost some real money.
The engineers are not going to calculate the added load of all these heaters they are just going to use a load calculation based on the normal office equipment.
I have had an office manager collect up 20 space heaters on one floor and that was in the summer time. I'm sure that some people took their heater home during the warmer months. It's really impossible to give a customer the power they will need for every situation. The power requirements must be based on the information that the customer provides and is willing to pay for.
You may do a single office with 50-60 employees and that means 50-60 cubicles, do you want to give each employee and extra circuit so they can run a space heater. You don't know which employees will bring in the space heaters so that's what you would have to do to provide enough power for the possibilities of these heaters. And you are not going to run all those extra circuits for $46 ea. either. If the want to power up all those space heaters it's going to cost some real money.
The engineers are not going to calculate the added load of all these heaters they are just going to use a load calculation based on the normal office equipment.
I have had an office manager collect up 20 space heaters on one floor and that was in the summer time. I'm sure that some people took their heater home during the warmer months. It's really impossible to give a customer the power they will need for every situation. The power requirements must be based on the information that the customer provides and is willing to pay for.
When dealing with office cubicals many use a four circuit eight or ten wire system or a 3 cicruit 8 wire system. the biggest problem in not supplying all the required circuits is the receptavcles placed in the furniture on the four circuit systems these are individual receptacles built to work on one one of the four ciructs so if you don't activate all then someone comes along places in a receptacle and screams it doesn't work. Another case would be four cubicals are installed "day one", two years later 2 more are added on according to the sales rep they have four circuits only two are used why can't the new be just connected to the two remaining circuits? I deal with this all the time. Guess who gets blamed for not running the required number of circuits to the area in the first place. Run what is listed as required for the furniture and call it a day, the client buys the cubicals after being told what it can do.
Rule of thumb is 2 seats to a circuit when the layout is planed in the begining unless speacial considerations are called for.
Word on the side if the system askes for independent neutrals give it, lot less problems for all concerned.
Rule of thumb is 2 seats to a circuit when the layout is planed in the begining unless speacial considerations are called for.
Word on the side if the system askes for independent neutrals give it, lot less problems for all concerned.
ohm
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I've worked in many offices with 100 cubicles per floor and can tell you they were probably served by as little as (40) 20A 120V circuits.
I've also seen a breaker trip, moans go out all over the place, data lost, boss finds heater under secretaries desk, secretary gets talked to, problem solved.
No manager wants heaters fighting air conditioners or coffee pots or refrig. in every cubicle etc. There are long lines for every job opening and the boss usually wins.
I've also seen a breaker trip, moans go out all over the place, data lost, boss finds heater under secretaries desk, secretary gets talked to, problem solved.
No manager wants heaters fighting air conditioners or coffee pots or refrig. in every cubicle etc. There are long lines for every job opening and the boss usually wins.
electricguy61
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Can you use MC and save on the labor costs?
ptrip
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I had a fairly recent office high-rise project where I had to convince the Owner's rep that they didn't need 16 outlets per seat! I couldn't, for the life of me, figure out why they needed that many plugs ... and I confirmed 16 duplex outlets, not 16 plugs. I had to explain the cost of that number of circuits per floor and how it would overload the service upgrade they just installed two years before (at least on paper). We settled on 4 duplex per seat, 2 seats per circuit. Printing and copying were going to be accomplished from central locations and there was a specified break room in the floor plans.
That project is just now under construction, and I've was laid off from the design firm 6 months ago ... I'll probably never know how it turns out.
That project is just now under construction, and I've was laid off from the design firm 6 months ago ... I'll probably never know how it turns out.
Mr.Sparkle
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Gotta love it. I talk to the customer today, tell him my price and that he will have to pull a permit and he tells me he might have another guy who can do it for about 40% less than me and the other guy doesn't need a permit. This is a brandy new office park warehouse complex still in the closing stages of construction, one can only hope that this "other guy" crosses paths with a code official in the area if he gets the job.
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