zip cord for permanent fixture

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hbiss said:
The rules for flexible cords and cables and line cords apply. . . . Can't be attached to the wall or ceiling, . . .
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Running a cord along a ceiling or wall by laying it within open hooks or Velcro does not require a tool for removal, and is, therefore, not "attached" in my opinion.
 
hbiss said:
There isn't. It comes from UL. NEC specifies receptacles spaced at 12' max so there is a receptacle within 6 feet either way of the device.

-Hal
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I believe this is a minmum length requirement for corded utilization equipment that is likely to be supplied from general lighting receptacle outlets. And, as I recall, the minimum cord length a manufacturer has to provide is six foot six inches. As I recall, there is no maximum cord length limit.
 
But for kitchen countertop appliances, with closer receptacle spacing, the cord length is typically 2' or less.

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GoldDigger said:
But for kitchen countertop appliances, with closer receptacle spacing, the cord length is typically 2' or less.
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You are right, in my opinion, for Small Appliance Branch Circuit utilization equipment. My point for 6' 6" cords was for General Lighting receptacle connected utilization equipment.
 
flatlander said:
Ok so back to the situation as long as not affixed to the structure. So then ok to place hooks and hang the cord?
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Sure, but, if you are assembling the cord as an electrician, then you also have to apply the other bits of the NEC . . . the most glaring is the connecting of exposed conductive parts of the luminaire to the equipment grounding conductor.
 
al hildenbrand said:
Then how do you account for billions of all-metal floor and table lamps that are sold and used with a simple two-wire cord and molded plug? A floor or table lamp is far more accessible to occupants than a ceiling mounted cord and plug supplied track luminaire, and almost always require the end-user to grab the luminaire to find the key or switch to turn it on and off. These factory assembled luminaires are rarely ever grounded.

My point is that the factory assembled cord and plug live-end feed, attached to a track of the same manufacturer, is a manufactured luminaire, not a luminaire that is wired in the field by the installer; and therefor the Article 250 grounding that I would have to do if I, as the installing electrician, assembled it's wiring in the field, does not apply.

And, no, inserting the live-end field into the track rail does not constitute the "wiring" of the luminaire, in my opinion.
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So one should ignore the grounding conductor in most lighting tracks? As to floor & table lamps, that is just the way they are.
 
norcal said:
So one should ignore the grounding conductor in most lighting tracks? As to floor & table lamps, that is just the way they are.
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"One" will do what they choose to do. There is no "should" in my post.
 
al hildenbrand said:
Sure, but, if you are assembling the cord as an electrician, then you also have to apply the other bits of the NEC . . . the most glaring is the connecting of exposed conductive parts of the luminaire to the equipment grounding conductor.
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Yeah
That's the way I frame it to the customer. If I do it as a licensed electrician I must do so this way.However if you do it you can get away with it that way.


Thanks all
 
410.6 Listing Required.
All luminaires, lampholders, and retrofit kits shall be listed.

If not listed it is not allowed, if listed follow the instructions included with the listing.

You can't build your own luminaire unless you get it listed.
 
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