Sierrasparky
Senior Member
- Location
- USA
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- Electrician ,contractor
It appears that it is a crime with penalty not to report. A misdemeanor.
It appears that it is a crime with penalty not to report. A misdemeanor.
I would bet that in most states that reguire a license it would be grounds for discipline to hire a unlicensed person that should be.
However this is the first law I have seen that it is a misdemeanor not to rat out the person and implicate oneself. I say that because how would it come that you are working with a unlicensed person. Either you hired them or your boss hired them. If you were responsible for first checking then there would be no exuse to have hired them in the first place. So then there would have been no reason to rat them out.
Kinda violates the right to self incrimination .
The current way of life is comming to a screeching halt. No freedoms
I also don't think the person hiring should be penalized if the employee produces false credentials. Why is it the employers problem beyond some reasonable effort to verify the validity of a license?
Good example but in a different discussion is some sting operations I have heard of in the past where they nailed retailers for selling alcoholic beverages to minors by actually sending in minors with false ID's. I can't say just what the false ID consisted of, but if I were the retailer and the ID seemed to be believable to belong to the person bearing it, why would I be at fault in that situation? It is illegal to produce such a false ID, but apparently not in a sting operation.
I just had a conversation about this yesterday with my nine-year-old daughter. We saw somebody run a red light, and she told me, "Call 9-1-1!" We then got to have the expected conversation about what is and what is not an emergency, but it also led to the question of how the police know people are running red lights if we don't call in and report them.What if the laws said you must report motorists that you see commit violations? :huh:
What if nearly every incident seen was reported if the above were true?
I guess we may have safer roads.
Requiring people to snitch on their neighbors (or coworkers) makes me think of the KGB first, but I guess the Nazis works too. The very idea of such a law makes me feel just a little bit slimy....
But this crap making it a crime for not reporting a coworker is plain Naziism.
I just had a conversation about this yesterday with my nine-year-old daughter. We saw somebody run a red light, and she told me, "Call 9-1-1!" We then got to have the expected conversation about what is and what is not an emergency, but it also led to the question of how the police know people are running red lights if we don't call in and report them.
"Well," I told her, "usually people only get a ticket for things like running red lights if a police officer is there to see them do it. Although, some intersections have cameras that are set to take a picture when a car is running a red light." I then explained the concept of traffic cameras to her, and she thought it was a great idea ... until I prodded her to think a little deeper about the issue.
"Wait, so if someone borrows your car and runs a red light, you get the ticket? That's not fair!"
Unfortunately, many of the people who make our laws look at these things the same way a nine-year-old does, only they're not willing to listen when a grownup comes along and tries to get them to actually think about the unintended consequences. Hopefully my daughter will learn to look deeper on her own, without prodding from Mom or Dad, before too many years go by.
Requiring people to snitch on their neighbors (or coworkers) makes me think of the KGB first, but I guess the Nazis works too. The very idea of such a law makes me feel just a little bit slimy.
Requiring people to snitch on their neighbors (or coworkers) makes me think of the KGB first, but I guess the Nazis works too. The very idea of such a law makes me feel just a little bit slimy.
A misdemeanor for not Snitching........
Where do they go next.
A misdemeanor for not Snitching........
Where do they go next.
probably to Starbucks. it's coffee time.
one bad law per day is sufficient, don't you think?
here's the original post:
"Duty to Report Unlicensed Persons
In order to prevent unlicensed persons from performing
electrical work, owners, operators, managers and supervisors
of a business performing electrical services are now required to:
Report any unlicensed person performing electrical work to the
Board, in writing, within 10 days of learning that the person is
not properly licensed.
Verify that employees or independent contractors are licensed
before allowing them to perform electrical services...."
you don't report YOUR employees status, you VERIFY your
employees status. if an employee, your co workers status,
as well as your own, won't need to be reported, as it will have
been VERIFIED by your employer before being allowed to work.
now, the first part... the reporting part.... that is what you are
supposed to do to your COMPETITORS who are getting an unfair
advantage by using uncertified people.
I still don't understand how you are supposed to know if your competitors are employing unlicensed people to do electrical work. Can you visit a competitor's job site and demand to see the electricians' papers, SS (or KGB) style? Do you drive by their job site and have a look, and then call the reporting hotline to tell them you *think* so-and-so *might* be employing unlicensed electricians? Or maybe you should set up a sting operation, where you pay your unemployed brother-in-law to get hired by a competitor by posing as an electrician. Then you'd have 'em for sure!...
now, the first part... the reporting part.... that is what you are
supposed to do to your COMPETITORS who are getting an unfair
advantage by using uncertified people.
I still don't understand how you are supposed to know if your
competitors are employing unlicensed people to do electrical work......
Seriously, though, how can anybody be expected to know if their
competitors' employees are licensed or not?
I still don't understand how you are supposed to know if your competitors are employing unlicensed people to do electrical work. Can you visit a competitor's job site and demand to see the electricians' papers, SS (or KGB) style? Do you drive by their job site and have a look, and then call the reporting hotline to tell them you *think* so-and-so *might* be employing unlicensed electricians? Or maybe you should set up a sting operation, where you pay your unemployed brother-in-law to get hired by a competitor by posing as an electrician. Then you'd have 'em for sure!
My imagination is running wild with the possibilities.
I can just imagine a conversation like the following:
"Hello, I'd like to report a General Contractor who is using unlicensed people to do electrical work."
"Okay, how do you know the electricians aren't licensed?"
"Well, uh, they've under-bid me by a fair amount several times recently and, uh, there's a lot of Spanish being spoken at that job site, uh ..."
"So you think he's breaking the law because you're a racist who's bad at bidding?"
Seriously, though, how can anybody be expected to know if their competitors' employees are licensed or not?
There may well be such a provision somewhere in Delaware law, but if so it is not in the code changes that you linked to.I also understood that if I knew of unlicensed work being performed that it was my obligation to report it as well. Hence the name of this thread ....
It should be noted that ALL employees of an electrical contractor are required to be licensed in Delaware.
So a first day green helper cannot get a job in DE? How much sense does that make? De EC's would have to hire out of state people that could pass DE's licensing req's. But does their experience have to be in DE? If so, how did they legally get that experience?