- Location
- Illinois
- Occupation
- retired electrician
The primary proposal to get rid of the rule was the from the IAEI.
Nipple rule
- Thread starter Bill Snyder
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- Location
- Illinois
- Occupation
- retired electrician
Too flimsy for me, but then I think the only use for PVC is underground. Looks terrible in any above ground application unless you support it every 12" or so
letgomywago
Senior Member
- Location
- Washington state and Oregon coast
- Occupation
- residential electrician
If that's their consensus then I'm all for it
letgomywago
Senior Member
- Location
- Washington state and Oregon coast
- Occupation
- residential electrician
Vertical installs tend to look alright. I've used 2 inch ta with a box adapter thats pvc often and that's not much room for a strap and is a good use of pvc for service equipment.Too flimsy for me, but then I think the only use for PVC is underground. Looks terrible in any above ground application unless you support it every 12" or so
electrofelon
Senior Member
- Location
- Cherry Valley NY, Seattle, WA
Why?
letgomywago
Senior Member
- Location
- Washington state and Oregon coast
- Occupation
- residential electrician
Most of the inspectors in WA are in IAEI so if that's what's pushed by them then they'll most likely turn a blind eye longer to these specific short nipple sections. If the organization was pushing for strapping it then they'd be inclined to flag this issue in their inspections since they'd be technically correct even if it's an impossibly short section of conduit even 1 or 2 inches.
electrofelon
Senior Member
- Location
- Cherry Valley NY, Seattle, WA
Why not support the rule that removes the ambiguity and provides for no required to strap below a certain length? IMO The IAEI is another interest group that we could do without on the CMP's.
letgomywago
Senior Member
- Location
- Washington state and Oregon coast
- Occupation
- residential electrician
I thought they did support it's removal maybe I miss read this post.
letgomywago
Senior Member
- Location
- Washington state and Oregon coast
- Occupation
- residential electrician
Separate issue but even without other organizations there will always be special interest involved with building codes. There's just too many factors involved. Otherwise we'd end up either with sysmic bracing in the midwest like in California or we'd have no standard wire colors. I'm all for it being actual electricians supporting their side of the code vs manufacturers and vendors.
- Location
- Illinois
- Occupation
- retired electrician
to be clear the IAEI..supported removing the rule that was only in the 2008 code...the 18" rule.
letgomywago
Senior Member
- Location
- Washington state and Oregon coast
- Occupation
- residential electrician
OK well then now I feel different
- Location
- New Jersey
- Occupation
- Journeyman Electrician
Someone needs to send those guys back out into the field.
electrofelon
Senior Member
- Location
- Cherry Valley NY, Seattle, WA
Yes, I would love it if they were just out standing in their field instead of making petty dumb code rules.
- Location
- New Jersey
- Occupation
- Journeyman Electrician
Honestly I'm dumbfounded as to why they objected to having up to 18" of unsupported raceway. I can only believe that it has to do with the first part of the word dumbfounded.
- Location
- Illinois
- Occupation
- retired electrician
They don't think that the current rule requires that support and saw the 2008 rule as requiring supports that were not required in the previous codes. The IAEI and the CMP members do not actually understand what the code rule says.Honestly I'm dumbfounded as to why they objected to having up to 18" of unsupported raceway. I can only believe that it has to do with the first part of the word dumbfounded.
electrofelon
Senior Member
- Location
- Cherry Valley NY, Seattle, WA
Yeah I was reading over their proposal again and trying to figure it out. On one hand it seemed like they had good intentions and didn't want a new unnecessary rule - but they seem to want to go with the "that support isn't really enforced anyway" philosophy. I don't agree with that. I have added support to 12" nipples because you never know what kind of inspector you will get. And I work in many different unfamiliar jurisdictions.
Bill Snyder
NEC expert
- Location
- Denver, Co
- Occupation
- Electrical Foreman
Can you post that reference? I am not aware of that specific wording
Bill Snyder
NEC expert
- Location
- Denver, Co
- Occupation
- Electrical Foreman
I am attempting to add 358.30(C) back with 24" instead of 18"
Bill Snyder
NEC expert
- Location
- Denver, Co
- Occupation
- Electrical Foreman
IAEI wanted it removed because of the word "unbroken" in the language that would then drive the need for a strap on 2 9" sections of RMC.
Bill Snyder
NEC expert
- Location
- Denver, Co
- Occupation
- Electrical Foreman
That would not be required if you have industrial experience.Imagine bending an offset in a 4 foot long nipple of 4" RMC just so you can put that strap on it.