Pics of panel rough-in

[benmin]

Since I program the HWI panels shown above, I've had the privilege of seeing many other electricians versions of that mech room. I must say that it's absolutely the most visually appealing romex job I've ever seen

 

[zbang]

I don't know who's work this is but it's the neatest romex job I've ever seen.

Damn, that's anal retentive with an extra hyphen* . Did some telecom power guys do some moonlighting?

* yes, sometimes anal-retentive does have a hyphen, and sometimes not .

 

[big vic]

The right side of this pic is my first attempt at finishing a panel. The left side was done by a journeypeep I work with regularly.

Are those 2" cable connectors with 12 romexs in them or rigd nipples. Either way it wouldn't fly around here

 

[tallgirl]

Are those 2" cable connectors with 12 romexs in them or rigd nipples. Either way it wouldn't fly around here

Not sure what they are as I didn't start the panel and I tend to be busy when he's working on them. I believe they are 2" nipples, but could be mistaken.

What's the code issue? It's never set off my "Not to Code" alarm.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Its legal if you meet the requirements of art.312.5(C) exception

 

[tallgirl]

Its legal if you meet the requirements of art.312.5(C) exception

I'm pretty sure it does -- there's a 2x4 above the panel, nailed between framing members and the cables are stapled to that 2x4 in numerical order, with odd circuits on the left (1, 3, 5, ...) and evens on the right (2, 4, 6 ...) and the feeder down the middle, stapled as well. Beyond that, I don't remember much of anything. As I wrote earlier, panels and services are a mystery to me.

I'll try to remember that section the next time and compare what's done with that exception.

 

[George Stolz]

I'd be surprised if it complied with that section, no offense.

Technically, by the section, there should be bushings on the RNC MAs, I don't see any either.

 

[tallgirl]

I'd be surprised if it complied with that section, no offense.

Technically, by the section, there should be bushings on the RNC MAs, I don't see any either.

Well, most of it isn't my work, so I'm not going to take it personally

I'm more familiar with panel makeups such as Larry's in this post. No one has posted a photo of the other sort I've seen, which is a nipple out the back, such as in this famous photo

 

[tallgirl]

Oh, and another thing --

I've read comments by a number of y'all on the subject of AFCIs getting hot. Is the way those AFCIs are arranged a bad idea? Would a better layout have been two on each side, rather than all four on the same side?

 

[iwire]

Its legal if you meet the requirements of art.312.5(C) exception

That is not surface mounted, it is a violation of the NEC but also a common practice in some areas.

 

[bjp_ne_elec]

What about derating? As the conductors are grouped - so if it is a nipple, it's length is important.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

What about derating? As the conductors are grouped - so if it is a nipple, it's length is important.

Derating does not make it illegal but if it is less than 2' then you don't have to derate.

 

[bjp_ne_elec]

Dennis - thanks - I was just trying to indicate that derating may factor in.

 

[George Stolz]

So if the pipe is between 18" and 24" inches, it's golden.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

That is not surface mounted, it is a violation of the NEC

I should have caught that but I didn't. Thanks Bob---- so why do you think it is okay for surface mount but not for recessed. Sounds absurd to me. Someday somebody may recess a surface panel and you know that no one will move all those wires.

Anyway, I think it is a bad installation. There is no reason not to use connectors.

but also a common practice in some areas.

We use to do it like that years ago here but that practice seems to have gone by the wayside.

 

[memyselfandI]

I wonder who wired this panel​

It wasn't me!!

 

[4x4]

ok yall i wanna see more panel pics.

 

[romexsnatcher]

george, im sorry man, but that panel looks horrible...

 

[stickboy1375]

My Setup

My Setup

I'm not finished yet, but it's a start... This is at my house... and yes I know the carflex is missing a strap...

 

[celtic]

You need some rigid pipe there ...you seem to have used everything else but

Looks nice to me.