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They did word it differently, they avoided to word 'hole' and used 'opening' IMO there was a reason for that ........ they did not just mean holes.
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They did word it differently, they avoided to word 'hole' and used 'opening' IMO there was a reason for that ........ they did not just mean holes.
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Jim W in Tampa
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"Keep in mind we are directly allowed to fish EMT into place, how is that on the couplings? "
Come on now Bob .read all of it. Says no couplings so that pretty much limits it to 10 feet.
Perhaps we need to clearify just what a truss is.
Come on now Bob .read all of it. Says no couplings so that pretty much limits it to 10 feet.
Perhaps we need to clearify just what a truss is.
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The ICC considers wood trusses to be framing members.
The following is from section 1.2 ofthis document.
The following is from section 1.2 ofthis document.
The parts of the truss are chord members and web members, but the complete truss is a framing member.
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There has been not one post of mine aimed at wood trusses, all my posts where about steel joists.
And if you read my post you would have seen I included steel joists.
what section and year is that, so I can read it in context ?
Volta
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Looks like Don already did that.
Close enough. It actually says "used as", but that is good enough for me, I'll accept it as a reasonable interpretation and agree that it can meet the letter of the NEC to forgo the securing when run horizontally through openings in trusses.
Don't worry though Jim, I won't actually install it that way
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Section 1.2.
I'm in the same mind set as Volta on "used as" is not "Is". But I'm not going to install something that I don't feel is "Secure" and use the "but the code says I can do it." argument. If the EMT is loose in the void of the bar joist or truss, I will strap it if it is my job, or make the installer strap it if I am inspecting the job. If on the other hand it is secure, not just in word but in practice, I would let it be.
hardworkingstiff
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Close enough. It actually says "used as", but that is good enough for me, I'll accept it as a reasonable interpretation and agree that it can meet the letter of the NEC to forgo the securing when run horizontally through openings in trusses.
Don't worry though Jim, I won't actually install it that way
I won't either, at a minimum I will use wire ties to hold it in place, but the code allows it.
Jim W in Tampa
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You are right, I goofed up about the fishing.
Looks like Don already did that.
Yes he did. A truss is not a member but is made from them.
Now where do we go from that
The burrito palace.:grin:
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That is not what I said. I said the truss is a framing member that is made up of chord and web members.
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Are you serious or kidding?:-?
Jim W in Tampa
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There has been not one post of mine aimed at wood trusses, all my posts where about steel joists.
Yes but what your saying is legal on steel trusses would apply to all includeing wood.
The material is not the issue. Issue is the truss. We all agree its made from framing members but is it as a finished product called a truss or framing member or both ?
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Don cleared that up entirely, he provided the names for the parts that make up the truss and showed that the http://www.icc-es.org/ considers a truss a framing member and that should be a rock solid source of that type of info.
Give it up, it's done. :grin:
Both, and along with that they could be called joists, bar joists, ceiling joists, floor joists, etc ... I am sure there are more terms for them.
And yes, the rules would be the same for all joists be it steel, wood, composite, or what have you.
Roger
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