sub panel w/out nuetral?
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renosteinke
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- NE Arkansas
Not advised, but it is allowed.
Safety issue, or just poor future planning?
jetlag
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- Eatonton, Georgia
Yes and it is not all that uncommon on commercial . Dont see it much on residential but it is allowed. I dont know the code off hand but it is an exception for panels with only phase to phase loads
jetlag
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- Eatonton, Georgia
not a safety issue
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- Location
- New Jersey
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- Journeyman Electrician
It's a design issue and is perfectly acceptable as an installation practice where there will be no single phase loads. See it occasionally in industrial and commercial settings.
Pierre C Belarge
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- Westchester County, New York
With today's installations being as cost-effective as possible, I would think it is a no brainer. I do not see how it is really a safety issue, as anyone working on these installations should be qualified.
Pierre C Belarge
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- Westchester County, New York
Wankster,
Listen, it is good forum etiquette to share in the savings....if you get what I am $aying.
jumper
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- 3 Hr 2 Min from Winged Horses
As the others have stated it is a design issue.
Most of our 208/120 panels have a neutral, but quite a few 480/277 panels for HVAC/motor loads only do not.
Most of our 208/120 panels have a neutral, but quite a few 480/277 panels for HVAC/motor loads only do not.
- Location
- Chapel Hill, NC
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- Retired Electrical Contractor
This rule was changed becaused many of the timers, occupancy sensors etc, utilize the egc for their electronics. Since this is become a more common item I guess they didn't want a lot of current on the egc.
Cow
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- Eastern Oregon
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- Electrician
Is it still considered a 480/277 panel then? Or just 480?
LarryFine
Master Electrician Electric Contractor Richmond VA
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- Henrico County, VA
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- Electrical Contractor
'Cause the code says so (unless the wiring method or the construction allows adding it later.)
than the NEC should require those to be on the neutral, LETS GO YANKEES
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- Chapel Hill, NC
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- Retired Electrical Contractor
I noticed a timer at Lowes just last week that needed the neutral. I suspect the manufactures will start producing their units that way.
Wankster,
Listen, it is good forum etiquette to share in the savings....if you get what I am $aying.
so where do i donate the obligatory 10% of neutral conductor savings?
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- New Jersey
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- Journeyman Electrician
which means?
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