Kitchen or Not????

[frank_n]

It has a sink. It will have a microwave on a shelf. Is the microwave considered permanent?

Frank

 

[nakulak]

if it's bolted to the wall yes. if not, consult ahj.

 

[480sparky]

I vote no.

 

[ivsenroute]

It is an apartment or a house?
Is there already a kitchen in the apartment or house?

If this is the only place that has a sink and counter-top then it must be the kitchen in order for the apartment/house to be considered a "dwelling unit".

 

[jwjrw]

I vote no because the microwave is not mounted so its not permanent.

 

[frank_n]

It's an addition. The house already has a kitchen although I don't believe it makes a difference. Since the receptacle will be raised (directly behind the shelf) I think the microwave will be considered perm. I am going to ask the AHJ on Monday, but I am curious to what you guys think

Frank

 

[George Stolz]

I think I remember reading an rop where the cmp stated a bolted in microwave does not a kitchen make. Can't look now, though.

 

[kwired]

sounds like a wet bar to me

 

[ivsenroute]

With that info I call it a bar sink or wet sink, not a kitchen. GFCI issues only.

 

[Jim W in Tampa]

no not a kitchen but does bring up a question. What if it had a range receptacle but no range ? Is that a kitchen ?

 

[jwjrw]

I think I remember reading an rop where the cmp stated a bolted in microwave does not a kitchen make. Can't look now, though.

Where I'm at if it has a sink and the microwave is mounted you now have a kitchen per ahj

 

[George Stolz]

Where I'm at if it has a sink and the microwave is mounted you now have a kitchen per ahj

Is that coming from an inspector or the ahj?

...and where are you from?

 

[jwjrw]

Its on our countys contractor web site. Its a ruling on the definition of a kitchen as they see it. It boils down to the definition of permanent facilities for food prep and cooking. They say it is.

 

[jwjrw]

Its on our countys contractor web site. Its a ruling on the definition of a kitchen as they see it. It boils down to the definition of permanent facilities for food prep and cooking. They say it is.

I take back what I said:roll: I was told it was on the web site..... What I just read was commercial kitchens is where food is prepared for the public. Then mentions breakrooms but microwaves are EXEMPT!
Trust but verify I guess. Sorry for the mis info guys

 

[RETRAINDAILY]

article 100 it looks new
KITCHEN. An area with a sink and permanent facilities for food preparation and cooking.
same article (100)
COOKING UNIT.....one or more heating elements
Is a microwave a cooking unit?

 

[jwjrw]

article 100 it looks new
KITCHEN. An area with a sink and permanent facilities for food preparation and cooking.
same article (100)
COOKING UNIT.....one or more heating elements
Is a microwave a cooking unit?

I say cooking really isnt microwaving something but you are cooking something. I had been just gfi and now I may not.

 

[jaylectricity]

I say cooking really isnt microwaving something but you are cooking something. I had been just gfi and now I may not.

I thought all microwaves did was boil water. The food just gets cooked as a by-product.

 

[Thirst4Knowledge]

If you dont need tools to steal it then its not permanently installed. I got that from the common sense handbook. I'm the author.

 

[charlie b]

If you dont need tools to steal it then its not permanently installed.

I love it. You get four smilies from me.

 

[charlie b]

In my state, a local rule says that if you wash your knife and fork and plate in the sink, you just created a kitchen.